Issues...

[jeongyik]

Toll...hmmm...a never ending story and issue. I think at this point of time it is not realistic to ask the government to abolish the toll which only profiting a small number of ppl (ie the toll concessioners majority shareholders) and not the ordinary street pp like us. What we should now look into is to ensure that every sens we pay to them, the services render to us must be on par. We should demand for a better services not showdy services... It is my hope oso to see the government spends more to develop the public transportation that to see more highways and roads been built. To me, building highways/roads is only a short term solution to a long term problem. We hear now and then, the road been widen and bulit to ease congestions and by the time the road is ready for traffics, the number of vechiles on the road has increased substantially. What do you guys think and have to say abt this? Hencefore...vote for me, to see these changes...:D

[Dino]

Prime Minister position up for grabs. I wonder who wants it?
But it comes with one condition...in order to keep it..must post picture of yourself that looked like PM for 1 week minimum!! :D

[jeongyik]

Prime Minister position up for grabs. I wonder who wants it?
But it comes with one condition...in order to keep it..must post picture of yourself that looked like PM for 1 week minimum!! :D
okay....

[Dino]

okay....

Wow!! You really want this position bad huh???
OK....do your part...and i'll do mine!

[jeongyik]

Wow!! You really want this position bad huh???
OK....do your part...and i'll do mine!
hahahaha...you got me......I feel bad now..

[Dino]

hahahaha...you got me......I feel bad now..

Hehehehehe....if you really want it...i'll have to discuss it with my fellow mods. ok??

[JC]

Hehehehehe....if you really want it...i'll have to discuss it with my fellow mods. ok??
Must really good quality PM photo.. also must post like a PM.. also must display all the time... I think 1 week too short... make it a month & then we do election again...:D

[athena]

haha..like that if Dino gets MEB, must he display his pic for the whole year till the re-election? :D

[jeongyik]

Hehehehehe....if you really want it...i'll have to discuss it with my fellow mods. ok??
take your time....I'm not rushing things

[jeongyik]

Must really good quality PM photo.. also must post like a PM.. also must display all the time... I think 1 week too short... make it a month & then we do election again...:D
1 month is too long. 1 week is just good enuf. I can do the pose...watch me..hahahah :D. Em...do you think i need to walk and talk like PM too? Maybe I can learn from now on

[jeongyik]

haha..like that if Dino gets MEB, must he display his pic for the whole year till the re-election? :D
I think this is a good suggestion.

[JC]

haha..like that if Dino gets MEB, must he display his pic for the whole year till the re-election? :D
Most definitely!!! Dino's title will be "Most Eligible Bachelor Mod"
1 whole year, Dino....:D

[jeongyik]

Most definitely!!! Dino's title will be "Most Eligible Bachelor Mod"
1 whole year, Dino....:D
Ya ya. I agree

[Dino]

Aik....i gave up my PM position just for you.
Walau eh?? Like that i take back my offer then!!

[Dino]

Like that...if you want PM title...must post pic for 1 month. With a real PM pose also.

[jeongyik]

Aik....i gave up my PM position just for you and you put condition on me ah??
Walau eh?? Like that i take back my offer then!!
I think the press has misquote me...I did not mean to that....I am not imposing any condition on you. What I say is to put you as The MEB mod. only....:D

[Dino]

I think the press has misquote me...I did not mean to that....I am not imposing any condition on you. What I say is to put you as The MEB mod. only....:D

Yup...you were misquoted....1 week ya...no pic no PM title.If i win, MEB will be in my title.

[jeongyik]

Yup...you were misquoted....1 week ya...no pic no PM title.If i win, MEB will be in my title.
One week starting monday...hahahaha (do i sound very desperate for the PM title?)

[daBoss]

i tell you what i'll do for the winner...

i'll create a hall of fame section of this website (not part of forum) and have winner's picture there for meb 2005! how is that?

[Dino]

i tell you what i'll do for the winner...

i'll create a hall of fame section of this website (not part of forum) and have winner's picture there for meb 2005! how is that?

Got advertising fee or not?? Since be mod no pay this one must charge fee!!

[daBoss]

Got advertising fee or not?? Since be mod no pay this one must charge fee!!

ok just for you, one big tgif dinner on feb 30th 2005.

[jeongyik]

i tell you what i'll do for the winner...

i'll create a hall of fame section of this website (not part of forum) and have winner's picture there for meb 2005! how is that?
Ya ya...I agree. :)

[Dino]

ok just for you, one big tgif dinner on feb 30th 2005.

If i win MEB...then this is not acceptable. You have to pay some fee for using that pic for that long...1 week i agree...1 year....too much ya!!
Also...if my pic up like that...then i go back into my tempurung and never to be seen again...have done it before...can do it again!!! :p

[Dino]

Ya ya...I agree. :)

Hhahahahah...celaka....i take back my title then.

[KoChun]

ok just for you, one big tgif dinner on feb 30th 2005.

Not free on 30th, 31st can ah?

[jeongyik]

Hhahahahah...celaka....i take back my title then.
helpp.....ugut!!! :D

[Dino]

Have to discuss this with the other mods. Be patient ya!!

[jeongyik]

back to toll issue...anyone?

[siewjang]

...also...if my pic up like that...then i go back into my tempurung and never to be seen again...have done it before...can do it again!!! :p
Think that is only for 20 minutes and you reappear again?

[siewjang]

Have to discuss this with the other mods. Be patient ya!!
If like that, I want also :D One week better than none.

[Diong_Gar_Loon]

back to toll issue...anyone?
i think their claim of making loss every year does not justify they should increase the toll. number of vehicles on the road are also on the rise. if they make losses, their problem lar. how can they make the public pay for their own mismanagement.

[Robin Kok CH]

How much is the toll now from KL (say from Damansara, near the WangUtama) to Bidor?

[KoChun]

How much is the toll now from KL (say from Damansara, near the WangUtama) to Bidor?

RM17.40. Just paid RM17.40 X 2 = RM34.80 last weekend.

[Diong_Gar_Loon]

How much is the toll now from KL (say from Damansara, near the WangUtama) to Bidor?
now it cost me RM18.90 from damansara near sony. celaka. i remember paying RM11 those days. i don't see the highway improving at all. broad daylight robbery.

[KoChun]

Gar Loon, you've overpaid!!!

[Diong_Gar_Loon]

Gar Loon, you've overpaid!!!
you started near one u. i started near sony. just last week. thanks to siew haw and kimmy's wedding. should have given less ang pow. hehe. just kidding.

[KoChun]

I started from Sony too, to be exact, Damansara toll to Bidor toll. It's RM17.40, my friend. Want to prove me wrong? We drive to Bidor for wantan mee this weekend!!! :p

[Diong_Gar_Loon]

I started from Sony too, to be exact, Damansara toll to Bidor toll. It's RM17.40, my friend. Want to prove me wrong? We drive to Bidor for wantan mee this weekend!!! :p
damn......i got cheated. cannot be. must look for the receipt. this week cannot la even though sounds very tempting. the wantan mee at kampong koh pasar super delicious. didn't manage to eat last weel. next week i will be going back for cny. will double check this time.

[jeongyik]

i think their claim of making loss every year does not justify they should increase the toll. number of vehicles on the road are also on the rise. if they make losses, their problem lar. how can they make the public pay for their own mismanagement.
What you say is true...sigh...

[jeongyik]

damn......i got cheated. cannot be. must look for the receipt. this week cannot la even though sounds very tempting. the wantan mee at kampong koh pasar super delicious. didn't manage to eat last weel. next week i will be going back for cny. will double check this time.
If it happen again...write to Semi Value...I'll give you the address when i see you....write to the press...

[Diong_Gar_Loon]

coming back to paying so much for the toll..........at least make sure no tanah runtuh.

[jeongyik]

coming back to paying so much for the toll..........at least make sure no tanah runtuh.
Semi Value : it's the act of god
?????

[Diong_Gar_Loon]

If it happen again...write to Semi Value...I'll give you the address when i see you....write to the press...
hey i have you to shoot your saliva missiles at our semi value. where is robin kok our work minister for banana island?

[jeongyik]

hey i have you to shoot your saliva missiles at our semi value. where is robin kok our work minister for banana island?
Semi will pusing and pusing...dem...can't seem to nail him down....Robin dare not comment...too sensetive...might backfire him...

[jeongyik]

now it cost me RM18.90 from damansara near sony. celaka. i remember paying RM11 those days. i don't see the highway improving at all. broad daylight robbery.
Therefore...you must own the toll concessioner company.

[Robin Kok CH]

hey i have you to shoot your saliva missiles at our semi value. where is robin kok our work minister for banana island?

Eh...since when I become the works minister? I thought I am the Finance Minister...

[Robin Kok CH]

RM17.40. Just paid RM17.40 X 2 = RM34.80 last weekend.
Hmmm..naik harga already...what about from JB to KL toll price? Anyone know what is the toll price now?

[jeongyik]

Eh...since when I become the works minister? I thought I am the Finance Minister...
After a sleepless night...I decided to abolish the Works minister post and merge it with Finance...so your new portfolio will be Finance, Works and Women Affair Minister.

[Diong_Gar_Loon]

Therefore...you must own the toll concessioner company.
i think so too. that is why we need you up there man. we can make it toll from damansara to bidor free as long they have foo chow name.

[Diong_Gar_Loon]

After a sleepless night...I decided to abolish the Works minister post and merge it with Finance...so your new portfolio will be Finance, Works and Women Affair Minister.
wat about me jia noing.

[Robin Kok CH]

After a sleepless night...I decided to abolish the Works minister post and merge it with Finance...so your new portfolio will be Finance, Works and Women Affair Minister.

I thought GL is the Works Minister while Ging is the Affairs Minister....No?

[jeongyik]

i think so too. that is why we need you up there man. we can make it toll from damansara to bidor free as long they have foo chow name.
Ya...only foo chow ppl we give free...HIDUP HOCK CHEW NOING

[jeongyik]

wat about me jia noing.
Senior Deputy Prime Minister....good? Are you accepting it?

[jeongyik]

I thought GL is the Works Minister while Ging is the Affairs Minister....No?
hmmm...ging can be the Foreign Affair and Gay Affair minister...A no no for him the in health ministry......I know what he is up to. Even worse if I gave him the Women Affair...for all you know he will end up with a string of affairs. Awie will be the National Accountant.

[waiyeng]

hmmm...ging can be the Foreign Affair and Gay Affair minister...A no no for him the in health ministry......I know what he is up to. Even worse if I gave him the Women Affair...for all you know he will end up with a string of affairs. Awie will be the National Accountant.


It's not that you guys are all angels :p

[waiyeng]

I thought the last time I paid for the toll was about RM16 from KL to Bidor and that was in Dec. They increased it again??

[Diong_Gar_Loon]

Senior Deputy Prime Minister....good? Are you accepting it?
wah, what a privillage..........I ACCEPT

[Diong_Gar_Loon]

I thought the last time I paid for the toll was about RM16 from KL to Bidor and that was in Dec. They increased it again??
you should come back more often la.

[Robin Kok CH]

you should come back more often la.

boleh tumpang....?

[Diong_Gar_Loon]

boleh tumpang....?
hello. go ask the singaporeans la. why ask me.

[Robin Kok CH]

hello. go ask the singaporeans la. why ask me.

??? singaporeans? Who ex-ACSian have converted to Singaporean? Me dunno..

[Diong_Gar_Loon]

??? singaporeans? Who ex-ACSian have converted to Singaporean? Me dunno..
i mean people like yourself lar e.g. bala, wai yeng, hea siong, etc.

anyway, why you need to tumpang. RX7 not good enuf.

[Robin Kok CH]

i mean people like yourself lar e.g. bala, wai yeng, hea siong, etc.

anyway, why you need to tumpang. RX7 not good enuf.

Eh...you know RX7? But now I want RX8 le...

[Diong_Gar_Loon]

Eh...you know RX7? But now I want RX8 le...
of course i know rx7. RX8 f***king nice. when you get your rx8, you sell me your rx7 cheap cheap lar. let say RM10. ok?

[Robin Kok CH]

of course i know rx7. RX8 f***king nice. when you get your rx8, you sell me your rx7 cheap cheap lar. let say RM10. ok?

Now also I have RX7 already...you want ah?

[Diong_Gar_Loon]

Now also I have RX7 already...you want ah?
i know. you mentioned it somehwhere in the forum. so how much you selling. rm10 ok or not. not the pocket size one ok.

[Robin Kok CH]

i know. you mentioned it somehwhere in the forum. so how much you selling. rm10 ok or not. not the pocket size one ok.

Hmmm...I have go back and check the documents first....
Can can RM10 but have ten plusses behind....I can work out the final total ok?

[Diong_Gar_Loon]

Hmmm...I have go back and check the documents first....
Can can RM10 but have ten plusses behind....I can work out the final total ok?
sure. make it good ya. the less zero, the better.

[Chooi Ching]

Ya Wai Yeng,
They increase again wef Jan 1..all increase 10%..every year also increase toll..stupid wan ler..have to pay RM 17.40 one way to go back Sitiawan..cannot go back so often already..so expensive..next year, they'll give other reason to increase the toll again..
i remember last time i used to take bus back and it's only RM 12..and now i guess more than RM 17..not to say the highway so clear and fast to drive..somemore stuck in traffic jam for few hours during PH seasons..SIen

[Diong_Gar_Loon]

Ya Wai Yeng,
They increase again wef Jan 1..all increase 10%..every year also increase toll..stupid wan ler..have to pay RM 17.40 one way to go back Sitiawan..cannot go back so often already..so expensive..next year, they'll give other reason to increase the toll again..
i remember last time i used to take bus back and it's only RM 12..and now i guess more than RM 17..not to say the highway so clear and fast to drive..somemore stuck in traffic jam for few hours during PH seasons..SIen
wah you sound very angry. cool down. have some pepsi ice.

[jeongyik]

It's not that you guys are all angels :p
???? You want any post? Please fill in the form and wait to be interviewed. Get the form from Robin on 30th February 2005.

[jeongyik]

wah, what a privillage..........I ACCEPT
Glad to know you accept the post. Come report work on 30th Feb.

[jeongyik]

??? singaporeans? Who ex-ACSian have converted to Singaporean? Me dunno..
any ex-ACSian found converted to Singaporean can NEVER be a citizen in Banana Island..

[jeongyik]

Eh...you know RX7? But now I want RX8 le...
No need to worry abt your car and your house. I have arranged each cabinet member a house in Dumbmansara. And a car of you choice which is not more than 300K

[jeongyik]

Ya Wai Yeng,
They increase again wef Jan 1..all increase 10%..every year also increase toll..stupid wan ler..have to pay RM 17.40 one way to go back Sitiawan..cannot go back so often already..so expensive..next year, they'll give other reason to increase the toll again..
i remember last time i used to take bus back and it's only RM 12..and now i guess more than RM 17..not to say the highway so clear and fast to drive..somemore stuck in traffic jam for few hours during PH seasons..SIen
What will you do then? What is your suggestion? You wan to write to Semi Value? Tell me ya

[waiyeng]

By the way, wat's the reason for the increase in the toll? i wasn't following the news closely... wat, the coy has been incurring substantial losses? from wat? the 'upgrading' of highway facilities? we're paying for the damages caused by the landslides? rentals for which they were unable to collect from vacant shops along the highway?

u can ask semi value to consider building another highway? or upgrade/ restore the trunk roads....hahah more competitive, price should adjust downwards... i'm cranky already, slept at 3 and have to work on sat, maybe tt's why...

[waiyeng]

???? You want any post? Please fill in the form and wait to be interviewed. Get the form from Robin on 30th February 2005.

Will do.

Robin , application form please. I want to be in economic planning. more subsidies for all! Tax reliefs!

Or anti-corruption.

Eh JY, say u refer me, then i can straight away be interviewed on 30th feb at 13pm la.

[Diong_Gar_Loon]

Will do.

Robin , application form please. I want to be in economic planning. more subsidies for all! Tax reliefs!

Or anti-corruption.

Eh JY, say u refer me, then i can straight away be interviewed on 30th feb at 13pm la.
as sr. deputy prime minister, on behalf of JY our PM, we would like you to attend the interview for the post of economic and erotic planning on 30th Feb 1t 13pm. please wear only skimpy clothes.

[jeongyik]

By the way, wat's the reason for the increase in the toll? i wasn't following the news closely... wat, the coy has been incurring substantial losses? from wat? the 'upgrading' of highway facilities? we're paying for the damages caused by the landslides? rentals for which they were unable to collect from vacant shops along the highway?

u can ask semi value to consider building another highway? or upgrade/ restore the trunk roads....hahah more competitive, price should adjust downwards... i'm cranky already, slept at 3 and have to work on sat, maybe tt's why...
Building more highways is the same as building more toll booths. I won't go for this option.

[jeongyik]

Will do.

Robin , application form please. I want to be in economic planning. more subsidies for all! Tax reliefs!

Or anti-corruption.

Eh JY, say u refer me, then i can straight away be interviewed on 30th feb at 13pm la.
Just say "I am a student from ACS Sitiawan....that will do the trick." No need my refence.

Hmm....I was considering you to fill in kak fidah post at the International Trade ..

[jeongyik]

as sr. deputy prime minister, on behalf of JY our PM, we would like you to attend the interview for the post of economic and erotic planning on 30th Feb 1t 13pm. please wear only skimpy clothes.
Okay...GL I trust you to look into this matter. Was considering her to fill up kak fidah post in the international trade, but maybe can include her into the erotic planning too...Make your decision and do inform me.

[Robin Kok CH]

JY, I think you need to list down all the posts that you want in the cabinet and who is holding which post already....that way, can eliminate any misunderstanding and possibly lawsuits....

[noname]

JY, go and pseudo the JKR ppl.... all kl road is bad....

[jeongyik]

[QUOTE=Robin Kok CH]JY, I think you need to list down all the posts that you want in the cabinet and who is holding which post already....that way, can eliminate any misunderstanding and possibly lawsuits....[/QUOTE
Okay...here is the list. Please feel free to discuss it..and if you have good suggestion please tell me...

PM : Post taken
Sr. DPM : GL, Diong
DPM : vacant
Finance, Works and Women Affair : Robin Kok
Lord of the Account : Awie (pending acceptance)
Foreign Affair and Gay Affair : Ging (pending acceptance)
Internal Security adn Affair : vacant
Education : vacant
International Trade and Erotic Planning : Vacant (pending interview)
Health and Sport : Noname a.k.a KLT(pending acceptance)
Information and Entertainment : vacant
Energy and Utilities : Vacant
Agricultural and Agro-based Industry : vacant
Industrial and Entreprenaur: vacant
Science adn Technology : vacant
Social Welfare : vacant
Human Resource and Fertilities : Siew Haw (pending acceptance)
Law : vacant
Transport : Vacant

[jeongyik]

JY, go and pseudo the JKR ppl.... all kl road is bad....
see first lar

[Robin Kok CH]

JY, I think you put mine wrongly la...I only accepted the post of Finance...boleh tukar.....

[Robin Kok CH]

I dont mind if you create a new post of Minister Mentor.....and ask for applicants...

[athena]

[QUOTE=Robin Kok CH]JY, I think you need to list down all the posts that you want in the cabinet and who is holding which post already....that way, can eliminate any misunderstanding and possibly lawsuits....[/QUOTE
Okay...here is the list. Please feel free to discuss it..and if you have good suggestion please tell me...

PM : Post taken
Sr. DPM : GL, Diong
DPM : vacant
Finance, Works and Women Affair : Robin Kok
Lord of the Account : Awie (pending acceptance)
Foreign Affair and Gay Affair : Ging (pending acceptance)
Internal Security adn Affair : vacant
Education : vacant
International Trade and Erotic Planning : Vacant (pending interview)
Health and Sport : Noname a.k.a KLT(pending acceptance)
Information and Entertainment : vacant
Energy and Utilities : Vacant
Agricultural and Agro-based Industry : vacant
Industrial and Entreprenaur: vacant
Science adn Technology : vacant
Social Welfare : vacant
Human Resource and Fertilities : Siew Haw (pending acceptance)

jeong yik, this is so good..hahha..definately a very interesting cabinet!!! hehe..must include me bro la...:D

[Robin Kok CH]

jeong yik, this is so good..hahha..definately a very interesting cabinet!!! hehe..must include me bro la...:D

Oh oh, athena, you need to specify which post you want to be....then JY will tell you more....

[jeongyik]

JY, I think you put mine wrongly la...I only accepted the post of Finance...boleh tukar.....
I know it's hard for you...but can you do me a favor...I have no other candidates...so you have to take care of the portfolio until I find suitable candidates for the Works and Women Affair

[Robin Kok CH]

I know it's hard for you...but can you do me a favor...I have no other candidates...so you have to take care of the portfolio until I find suitable candidates for the Works and Women Affair

Have Waiyeng fill the post lah...

[jeongyik]

I dont mind if you create a new post of Minister Mentor.....and ask for applicants...
Hey...this is banana island not singapore...No MM.

[jeongyik]

jeong yik, this is so good..hahha..definately a very interesting cabinet!!! hehe..must include me bro la...:D
I'm waiting for him to fill in the application form...actually all he need is to tell me nia... :D

[Robin Kok CH]

I'm waiting for him to fill in the application form...actually all he need is to tell me nia... :D

athena is a she....anyway, I am off to lunch....will be back later cause have lunch with appointment....so I hope to see my post change by then ok JY..

[jeongyik]

Oh oh, athena, you need to specify which post you want to be....then JY will tell you more....
No hubby and wife in the same cabinet :D ...very susah..... that y cannot put kimmy as minister....maybe other post outside cabinet..

[athena]

Oh oh, athena, you need to specify which post you want to be....then JY will tell you more....
hey PM, not me la...for sunny! :D

[jeongyik]

I'm waiting for him to fill in the application form...actually all he need is to tell me nia... :D
Sorry, i was refering to your bro...opsss :o

[jeongyik]

hey PM, not me la...for sunny! :D
Now i know.... :D

[jeongyik]

athena is a she....anyway, I am off to lunch....will be back later cause have lunch with appointment....so I hope to see my post change by then ok JY..
See lar..I also hope more ppl can participate in our cabinet...sabar yer....

[Diong_Gar_Loon]

JY, I think you put mine wrongly la...I only accepted the post of Finance...boleh tukar.....
hey where got fun without the women's affair. stick to it la.

[Diong_Gar_Loon]

[QUOTE=Robin Kok CH]JY, I think you need to list down all the posts that you want in the cabinet and who is holding which post already....that way, can eliminate any misunderstanding and possibly lawsuits....[/QUOTE
Okay...here is the list. Please feel free to discuss it..and if you have good suggestion please tell me...

PM : Post taken
Sr. DPM : GL, Diong
DPM : vacant
Finance, Works and Women Affair : Robin Kok
Lord of the Account : Awie (pending acceptance)
Foreign Affair and Gay Affair : Ging (pending acceptance)
Internal Security adn Affair : vacant
Education : vacant
International Trade and Erotic Planning : Vacant (pending interview)
Health and Sport : Noname a.k.a KLT(pending acceptance)
Information and Entertainment : vacant
Energy and Utilities : Vacant
Agricultural and Agro-based Industry : vacant
Industrial and Entreprenaur: vacant
Science adn Technology : vacant
Social Welfare : vacant
Human Resource and Fertilities : Siew Haw (pending acceptance)
Law : vacant
Transport : Vacant
this a good one. now our banana government is almost complete. the only thing lacking now is manpower.

[jeongyik]

this a good one. now our banana government is almost complete. the only thing lacking now is manpower.
Ya we need a lot of ppl. Now we have to look into other branch of government. Like Chief Justice..in Banana Island the tittle will be H.H. Pao Pao Chin Tian..

[Diong_Gar_Loon]

Ya we need a lot of ppl. Now we have to look into other branch of government. Like Chief Justice..in Banana Island the tittle will be H.H. Pao Pao Chin Tian..
we reserve that post for nga hot dog or law yu foo.

[noname]

teach all ppl how to perform sex.... by Ging.

[jeongyik]

we reserve that post for nga hot dog or law yu foo.
I rather take Law Yew Foo lar...name oso got law. sigh

[jeongyik]

teach all ppl how to perform sex.... by Ging.
we reserve this for the person who take up Education portfolio

[jeongyik]

latest :
PM : Post taken
Sr. DPM : GL, Diong
DPM : vacant
Finance and Works : Robin Kok
Men and Women Affair : GL, Diong
Lord of the Account : Awie (pending acceptance)
Foreign Affair and Gay Affair : Ging (pending acceptance)
Internal Security and Affair : JY, Diong
Education, Health and Sports: Noname aka KLT
International Trade and Erotic Planning : Vacant (pending interview)
Information and Entertainment : vacant
Energy and Utilities : Vacant
Agricultural and Agro-based Industry : vacant
Industrial and Entreprenaur: vacant
Science and Technology : vacant
Social Welfare : vacant
Human Resource and Fertilities : Siew Haw (pending acceptance)
Law : vacant
Transport : Vacant
Defence : vacant

[noname]

who is it? :P

[jeongyik]

who is it? :P
Woi stop dreaming....come back....you are now the education, health and sport minister.

[noname]

Woi stop dreaming....come back....you are now the education, health and sport minister.
education only mah... didnt mean i need to teach wor...

just sit back and ask my "mah cai" to teach... :D

[ging]

eh foreign affairs and international trade ministry almost the same wat.. you go overseas to get business too.. gay affairs part.. aiyo.. redundant.. live and let live lar.. ok ok .. my first project as gay affairs minister is to allow gay men marriage... ok? sounds good? calling all gays!!! you can now legally get married with your batang partners!!!!! oh forgot to check with Mr Law first.. Eh can ar? aiyo.. see so easy... just implement it.. no need to discuss in cabinet... so am i capable enough to have both portfolio? since i've already done something for the gays now i want to work on the international trade and erotic planning ministry and when i am through with them, basic instinct will be on prime time tv!!!! vote ging for BOTH posts!!!!!

[jeongyik]

PM : Post taken
Sr. DPM : GL, Diong
DPM : vacant
Finance and Works : Robin Kok
Men and Women Affair : GL, Diong
Lord of the Account : Awie (pending acceptance)
Foreign Affair and Gay Affair : Ging (confirmed)
Internal Security and Affair : JY, Diong
Education, Health and Sports: Noname aka KLT
International Trade and Erotic Planning : Vacant (pending interview)
Information and Entertainment : vacant
Energy and Utilities : Vacant
Agricultural and Agro-based Industry : vacant
Industrial and Entreprenaur: vacant
Science and Technology : vacant
Social Welfare : vacant
Human Resource and Fertilities : Siew Haw (pending acceptance)
Law : vacant
Transport : Vacant
Defence : vacant

[jeongyik]

eh foreign affairs and international trade ministry almost the same wat.. you go overseas to get business too.. gay affairs part.. aiyo.. redundant.. live and let live lar.. ok ok .. my first project as gay affairs minister is to allow gay men marriage... ok? sounds good? calling all gays!!! you can now legally get married with your batang partners!!!!! oh forgot to check with Mr Law first.. Eh can ar? aiyo.. see so easy... just implement it.. no need to discuss in cabinet... so am i capable enough to have both portfolio? since i've already done something for the gays now i want to work on the international trade and erotic planning ministry and when i am through with them, basic instinct will be on prime time tv!!!! vote ging for BOTH posts!!!!!
Okay we'll see you whether yuo can perform or not...then we do the talking...current waiyeng is applying for the post...so wait.. :D

[ging]

eh she no sound also... where can? and she wont be able to put basic instinct on prime time tv... and thats only for starters... later might have malam tak berbau on air too... it was a hit amongst pirate vcd sellers.... now ALL US GUYS dont have to depart with RM10/ vcd for our favourite movie....

[Robin Kok CH]

latest :
PM : Post taken
Sr. DPM : GL, Diong
DPM : vacant
Finance and Works : Robin Kok
Men and Women Affair : GL, Diong
Lord of the Account : Awie (pending acceptance)
Foreign Affair and Gay Affair : Ging (pending acceptance)
Internal Security and Affair : JY, Diong
Education, Health and Sports: Noname aka KLT
International Trade and Erotic Planning : Vacant (pending interview)
Information and Entertainment : vacant
Energy and Utilities : Vacant
Agricultural and Agro-based Industry : vacant
Industrial and Entreprenaur: vacant
Science and Technology : vacant
Social Welfare : vacant
Human Resource and Fertilities : Siew Haw (pending acceptance)
Law : vacant
Transport : Vacant
Defence : vacant

Thank you thank you JY....now you got it right....Ah, can I ask what are those underlines represent?

[waiyeng]

eh foreign affairs and international trade ministry almost the same wat.. you go overseas to get business too.. gay affairs part.. aiyo.. redundant.. live and let live lar.. ok ok .. my first project as gay affairs minister is to allow gay men marriage... ok? sounds good? calling all gays!!! you can now legally get married with your batang partners!!!!! oh forgot to check with Mr Law first.. Eh can ar? aiyo.. see so easy... just implement it.. no need to discuss in cabinet... so am i capable enough to have both portfolio? since i've already done something for the gays now i want to work on the international trade and erotic planning ministry and when i am through with them, basic instinct will be on prime time tv!!!! vote ging for BOTH posts!!!!!
NATO (no action talk only)

[waiyeng]

eh she no sound also... where can? and she wont be able to put basic instinct on prime time tv... and thats only for starters... later might have malam tak berbau on air too... it was a hit amongst pirate vcd sellers.... now ALL US GUYS dont have to depart with RM10/ vcd for our favourite movie....


Cheh, see what u've got first ma... like LT, i dun have to do everything by myself wat... if i'm offered the post, I can always use my ma chai wat... this is wat i can do... firstly, trust me, i may not like all these, BUT i have the ppl's interests at heart. I plan to hire a team of full time researchers, surveying on the latest craze and taste, getting the most updated movies from all over the world, deliverin to the public the most updated h*ardcore stuff on a weekly basis....and at the same time airing all the classics... not enough? i'm thinking of setting a motto for all ladies, "if you have it, flaunt it!" Closer to home, Pamela and her fren yasmine bleeth (she mentioned she starred in Baywatch) had kindly agreed to help 'launch' it, they believe tt will get the temperature rising. TT's how i got this idea bt a beach foam party at the official opening ceremony. and keeping in mind tt we should make it as transparent as possible, our theme will be 'BARE FOR ALL TO SEE'. Also, Paul van dick will return my favour by spinning at the party.

This is just a brief of wat i'm gonna submit as a proposal for erotic planning... making u guys h*rny enough??

[Diong_Gar_Loon]

Cheh, see what u've got first ma... like LT, i dun have to do everything by myself wat... if i'm offered the post, I can always use my ma chai wat... this is wat i can do... firstly, trust me, i may not like all these, BUT i have the ppl's interests at heart. I plan to hire a team of full time researchers, surveying on the latest craze and taste, getting the most updated movies from all over the world, deliverin to the public the most updated h*ardcore stuff on a weekly basis....and at the same time airing all the classics... not enough? i'm thinking of setting a motto for all ladies, "if you have it, flaunt it!" Closer to home, Pamela and her fren yasmine bleeth (she mentioned she starred in Baywatch) had kindly agreed to help 'launch' it, they believe tt will get the temperature rising. TT's how i got this idea bt a beach foam party at the official opening ceremony. and keeping in mind tt we should make it as transparent as possible, our theme will be 'BARE FOR ALL TO SEE'. Also, Paul van dick will return my favour by spinning at the party.

This is just a brief of wat i'm gonna submit as a proposal for erotic planning... making u guys h*rny enough??
interview pass............report to work next Monday. don't forget to bring pamela and yasmeen bleeth. we can leave david hasselholf out. we have LT (sports minister).

[waiyeng]

interview pass............report to work next Monday. don't forget to bring pamela and yasmeen bleeth. we can leave david hasselholf out. we have LT (sports minister).

Thank u merci arigato khwap khun kharp m goi sai gracias terima kasih manyak manyak... i will do my best to service my ppl. I've checked with Pamela, she'll come join me provided u dun make her too tired to get up mon morning. Yas said she needs to go home to fix her assets coz the hot sun and the rising temperature kinda melted them. She promised to be back for the opening.

[Diong_Gar_Loon]

coming back to issues .........i think banning of fire crackers during CNY is absurd. fire crackers are part and parcel of celebrating CNY. what can you with pop pop and
"chi ri hua" only. i guess this CNY will be another quite one.

[jeongyik]

Thank you thank you JY....now you got it right....Ah, can I ask what are those underlines represent?
It represent the latest status of that particular post

[jeongyik]

Cheh, see what u've got first ma... like LT, i dun have to do everything by myself wat... if i'm offered the post, I can always use my ma chai wat... this is wat i can do... firstly, trust me, i may not like all these, BUT i have the ppl's interests at heart. I plan to hire a team of full time researchers, surveying on the latest craze and taste, getting the most updated movies from all over the world, deliverin to the public the most updated h*ardcore stuff on a weekly basis....and at the same time airing all the classics... not enough? i'm thinking of setting a motto for all ladies, "if you have it, flaunt it!" Closer to home, Pamela and her fren yasmine bleeth (she mentioned she starred in Baywatch) had kindly agreed to help 'launch' it, they believe tt will get the temperature rising. TT's how i got this idea bt a beach foam party at the official opening ceremony. and keeping in mind tt we should make it as transparent as possible, our theme will be 'BARE FOR ALL TO SEE'. Also, Paul van dick will return my favour by spinning at the party.

This is just a brief of wat i'm gonna submit as a proposal for erotic planning... making u guys h*rny enough??
Congratulations. Welcome aboard

[jeongyik]

coming back to issues .........i think banning of fire crackers during CNY is absurd. fire crackers are part and parcel of celebrating CNY. what can you with pop pop and
"chi ri hua" only. i guess this CNY will be another quite one.
Ya...i still dunno why they ban the firecrackers. If they say it's because of the accident, I don't see very much accident happened because of playing crackers during CNY. Again...what can we do?

[Diong_Gar_Loon]

Ya...i still dunno why they ban the firecrackers. If they say it's because of the accident, I don't see very much accident happened because of playing crackers during CNY. Again...what can we do?
i agree that it is a dangerous item that can be abused. why banned it completely? we can always classify it under controlled items. sell it only through proper channels and keep it away from underaged childrens. take all necessary precautions but not to the extend of banning it completely. by banning, it does not resolve issues of illegally purchased fireworks.

[noname]

ahahah. if u see, majority all the victim is small kids nia... so it didnt mean must ban the firecracker for adult mah... hmmm

must venture to kampung cina and hunt for firecracker liao... bomb ahsai... front garden house... kekeke :D

[jeongyik]

i agree that it is a dangerous item that can be abused. why banned it completely? we can always classify it under controlled items. sell it only through proper channels and keep it away from underaged childrens. take all necessary precautions but not to the extend of banning it completely. by banning, it does not resolve issues of illegally purchased fireworks.
Ya, I think this is a good idea. However, there are things need to be done before it can be made controlled item. For one example, Cigarrate, it was meant to be sold to those above 18 but at the end of the day, we are talking abt unscrupulous businessman , the lackadaisical enforcement agencies.... we see students, kids under 18 buying it. Unless these things have been tackle, I dun see we firecrackers can be allowed as controlled item. My two cents worth....hehehhe

[jeongyik]

ahahah. if u see, majority all the victim is small kids nia... so it didnt mean must ban the firecracker for adult mah... hmmm

must venture to kampung cina and hunt for firecracker liao... bomb ahsai... front garden house... kekeke :D
Anything happened in my house garden during CNY, I know who to look for lar...

[noname]

Anything happened in my house garden during CNY, I know who to look for lar...
ahahaha... no need to look for me lah... me innocent... blame the firecracker...

[jeongyik]

ahahaha... no need to look for me lah... me innocent... blame the firecracker... :mad:

[noname]

:mad:
cheh, tak takut pun... :P

[jeongyik]

cheh, tak takut pun... :P
:mad: :mad: :mad:

[noname]

:mad: :mad: :mad:
lagi tak takut.... :P

[jeongyik]

lagi tak takut.... :P
okay lar...you win lar

[noname]

okay lar...you win lar
ehhh, so fast mengaku ke... aiseh, tak boleh jadi PM liao... :(

[jeongyik]

ehhh, so fast mengaku ke... aiseh, tak boleh jadi PM liao... :(
sometime we have to move two steps backward in order for us to move further. :D

[ging]

eh so i guess i didnt get the job as trade minister ar? ok lar. lets see how it gets when you let a woman do a man's job. woman can't do politics and cant piss standing up. as for firecrackers... i'm for the ban.. think about it... would you like your future voters in banana land not able to vote because they dont have fingers to hold the pencil? never think lar you all.....

[Diong_Gar_Loon]

eh so i guess i didnt get the job as trade minister ar? ok lar. lets see how it gets when you let a woman do a man's job. woman can't do politics and cant piss standing up. as for firecrackers... i'm for the ban.. think about it... would you like your future voters in banana land not able to vote because they dont have fingers to hold the pencil? never think lar you all.....
they still have their toes.......sai lan ngong you.

[Diong_Gar_Loon]

sometime we have to move two steps backward in order for us to move further. :D
make sure no longkang behind.

[noname]

eh so i guess i didnt get the job as trade minister ar? ok lar. lets see how it gets when you let a woman do a man's job. woman can't do politics and cant piss standing up. as for firecrackers... i'm for the ban.. think about it... would you like your future voters in banana land not able to vote because they dont have fingers to hold the pencil? never think lar you all.....
cheh, they can be creative a bit... using mouth to vote lah... just tick only mah...

aiseh... :D

[jeongyik]

they still have their toes.......sai lan ngong you.
hahahaha

[noname]

hahahaha
ahahaha... kesian dia.. kena scolded by GL.

[jeongyik]

Today's issue : Government department frontliners undergo courtesy courses. What you guys think abt this. Basically, I am no no for the government staff regardlessly whether they are frontliners or the backliners..NO BREAKFAST after 8.00 am. Take your breakfast BEFORE 8.00 am and NO TEA BREAK in between. How long will you think they will last? How long they are going to sustain that courtesy? What role can the public play? (No prize for the correct guesses) And most important...which company get the contract? :cool:

[waiyeng]

I think alot will depend on the department heads... bad staff performance will not reflect well on the dept heads. The surprise checks by the heads is a pretty good move, let them have a taste of their own medicine. But then again, it may all be words only, no action...

[Diong_Gar_Loon]

Today's issue : Government department frontliners undergo courtesy courses. What you guys think abt this. Basically, I am no no for the government staff regardlessly whether they are frontliners or the backliners..NO BREAKFAST after 8.00 am. Take your breakfast BEFORE 8.00 am and NO TEA BREAK in between. How long will you think they will last? How long they are going to sustain that courtesy? What role can the public play? (No prize for the correct guesses) And most important...which company get the contract? :cool:
The sad truth is that it has been a norm for a long time and to change something as difficult as work culture, it takes a lot of courage, good leadership, dedication and time. Agree with Wai Yeng that in order to have a major change, usually the leader has to change. In most private companies, they don't even bother trying to change the leader cause it is near impossible. What they do is just get a new leader.

Coming back to the role of the public, we cannot do much if our complaints cannot reach to the proper channel and I am sure there are plenty of them already. Most of the time the complaints mysteriously vanish into thin air. Setting up a committee to take such complaints seriously will definitely have a positive effect. This committe should be as independent as possible to avoid favouritism. Something similar to corporate audit committees.

[Dino]

The sad truth is that it has been a norm for a long time and to change something as difficult as work culture, it takes a lot of courage, good leadership, dedication and time. Agree with Wai Yeng that in order to have a major change, usually the leader has to change. In most private companies, they don't even bother trying to change the leader cause it is near impossible. What they do is just get a new leader.

Coming back to the role of the public, we cannot do much if our complains cannot reach to the proper channel and I am sure there are plenty of them already. Most of the time the complaints mysteriously vanish into thin air. Setting up a committee to take such complains seriously will definitely have a positive effect. This committe should be as independent as possible to avoid favouritism. Something similar to corporate audit committees.

Errrr....very interesting but.....i think the problem is that management sets the example. If your boss keep going for tea break of course laaa you also assume that role of tea-breaking. No matter what it is.....the best solution to this problem is top down instead of bottom up!

[noname]

Errrr....very interesting but.....i think the problem is that management sets the example. If your boss keep going for tea break of course laaa you also assume that role of tea-breaking. No matter what it is.....the best solution to this problem is top down instead of bottom up!
i agreed. the top management have to change 1st before the lower management. majority the lower management will tend to follow what higher management ppl do. if the higher management ppl is kind and helpful, surely the lower ppl will follow their culture and the way they do.

in the end, if need lower management to change, then the top management should support them all the way... not critisize and simple set this rule n that...

[noname]

Today's issue : Government department frontliners undergo courtesy courses. What you guys think abt this. Basically, I am no no for the government staff regardlessly whether they are frontliners or the backliners..NO BREAKFAST after 8.00 am. Take your breakfast BEFORE 8.00 am and NO TEA BREAK in between. How long will you think they will last? How long they are going to sustain that courtesy? What role can the public play? (No prize for the correct guesses) And most important...which company get the contract? :cool:
ahsai, ur case is similar to my ex-company. stupid boss... does not allow ppl to makan after start working hours (8:30am), not allow to makan at their table or drink also, not allow to talk during opis hours, no sms, no hp, no personal email checking except during lunch time and after opis hours... encourage you to stay back and learn new thing even thought u have NOTHING TO DO, always be NATO... haiii...

but when he retired, i dun even bother to go to his farewell party. i purposely took leave that day...

[Diong_Gar_Loon]

ahsai, ur case is similar to my ex-company. stupid boss... does not allow ppl to makan after start working hours (8:30am), not allow to makan at their table or drink also, not allow to talk during opis hours, no sms, no hp, no personal email checking except during lunch time and after opis hours... encourage you to stay back and learn new thing even thought u have NOTHING TO DO, always be NATO... haiii...

but when he retired, i dun even bother to go to his farewell party. i purposely took leave that day...
again it voice down to the company culture e.g. Americans vs Japanese. Americans are more laid back and work in a more organic manner and the Japanese as you all know are like robots.

i disagree with the fact that the boss is consider a lousy boss if he does not allow people to makan or chat after the specific hour. at the end, we are paid to do what they want us to do. and of course if the rules are already being set, as an employee we should follow. communication and proper implementation of code of ethics could solve some of these problems..

[noname]

again it voice down to the company culture e.g. Americans vs Japanese. Americans are more laid back and work in a more organic manner and the Japanese as you all know are like robots.

i disagree with the fact that the boss is consider a lousy boss if he does not allow people to makan or chat after the specific hour. at the end, we are paid to do what they want us to do. and of course if the rules are already being set, as an employee we should follow. communication and proper implementation of code of ethics could solve some of these problems..
:D hehehe. for me consider a unconsiderate boss coz only my department is kena while the rest of the department, they allow to eat their food and etc, as long they finish their work. my unconsiderate ex-boss want to be action and 1st person to set the rule so that the higher management ppl know about it...

at the end, even my MD and CEO dislike him coz he's NATO and simply promised people. :D

[jeongyik]

I think generally everyone think that the changes should starts from the top to bottom. I remembered many years ago, in a seminar, one young malay guy can up and say..."Sekiranya kepala gerabak keretapi tida bergerak, bagaimana gerabak di belakangnya bergerak. Sekiranya gerabak belakang berkeras untuk bergerak, maka akan jadi malapetaka" (I think no need translation lar). Then I remembered, two years ago, one of my friend said : "The damn bladi boss won't do anything to change. They are in that comfort zone for too long. If i were them in this position, I dun think i will ever make any changes that not benefiting me" Here we see resistance from the top and how do we overcome that resistance.
GL also pointed up that many complaints went vanish, which i agree very much. Where is the transparency we are talking? To my opinion, you need a revolution ( i know the word is hard) to change the whole system.

[jeongyik]

again it voice down to the company culture e.g. Americans vs Japanese. Americans are more laid back and work in a more organic manner and the Japanese as you all know are like robots.

i disagree with the fact that the boss is consider a lousy boss if he does not allow people to makan or chat after the specific hour. at the end, we are paid to do what they want us to do. and of course if the rules are already being set, as an employee we should follow. communication and proper implementation of code of ethics could solve some of these problems..

hmmm... interesting to note the American VS Japanese way. Maybe we can discuss this issue further. I tend to agree with you that the fact that boss should not be considered lousy if he does not allow ppl to makan or chat. Here we see resistance on the ground when the boss tried to implement such move.

[Dino]

I think generally everyone think that the changes should starts from the top to bottom. I remembered many years ago, in a seminar, one young malay guy can up and say..."Sekiranya kepala gerabak keretapi tida bergerak, bagaimana gerabak di belakangnya bergerak. Sekiranya gerabak belakang berkeras untuk bergerak, maka akan jadi malapetaka" (I think no need translation lar). Then I remembered, two years ago, one of my friend said : "The damn bladi boss won't do anything to change. They are in that comfort zone for too long. If i were them in this position, I dun think i will ever make any changes that not benefiting me" Here we see resistance from the top and how do we overcome that resistance.
GL also pointed up that many complaints went vanish, which i agree very much. Where is the transparency we are talking? To my opinion, you need a revolution ( i know the word is hard) to change the whole system.

Shhhhh...dun so loud...afterwards your opinion kena spy kat ISA then daboss go to jail....how??? But i do agree that some people who sit on their butt too long is reluctant to change even for the better. Sad but thats the reality.

[jeongyik]

Shhhhh...dun so loud...afterwards your opinion kena spy kat ISA then daboss go to jail....how??? But i do agree that some people who sit on their butt too long is reluctant to change even for the better. Sad but thats the reality.
Shhh... :D. AGREE

[jeongyik]

I am going to leave this issue for a while in case someone would like to discuss further on it. Will be back with more issue next week.

[noname]

I am going to leave this issue for a while in case someone would like to discuss further on it. Will be back with more issue next week.
ahahaha. agree with comfort zone thingy.

if u get RM20K salary and then there is a restructuring going on, i dun think u want to do it IF the new position didnt benefit u much or added more task on ur job description.

2ndly, age also does matter. if u r in the comfort zone and going to retire, i dun think they want to move or support the new idea of the young one.. :D

[jeongyik]

ahahaha. agree with comfort zone thingy.

if u get RM20K salary and then there is a restructuring going on, i dun think u want to do it IF the new position didnt benefit u much or added more task on ur job description.

2ndly, age also does matter. if u r in the comfort zone and going to retire, i dun think they want to move or support the new idea of the young one.. :D
Yup, I guess it does not confine to the boss but oso certain old guard which refuse to move from their comfort zone or worst they arel ready to pound the new staff and impose "join us or against us" situation. Here again how are we going to change the whole work culture? I guess if you put in everything aspect you say in my own shoe, I will do the same lar. You need courage to do so.

[noname]

Yup, I guess it does not confine to the boss but oso certain old guard which refuse to move or worst still ready to pound the new staff and the situation is join us or against us. I guess if you put in everything aspect you say in my own shoe, I will do the same lar.
can i say that it is human nature to stay in comfort zone and earn big bucks and do less work?

[Diong_Gar_Loon]

can i say that it is human nature to stay in comfort zone and earn big bucks and do less work?
for any company/government to move forward, it is important not to remain status quo. how can we progress if we do not change for the better. if we do things as the way we did 10 years ago just because we are comfortable whereas our competitions are always moving ahead, where will we be for the next 10 years. 20 years behind them??? maybe even more. it is all in the mindset and to change that will be the biggest challenge.

[noname]

for any company/government to move forward, it is important not to remain status quo. how can we progress if we do not change for the better. if we do things as the way we did 10 years ago just because we are comfortable whereas our competitions are always moving ahead, where will we be for the next 10 years. 20 years behind them??? maybe even more. it is all in the mindset and to change that will be the biggest challenge.
aahahaha. but the ppl dun intend to change their mindset coz they are so comfortable with their own work n position. tt's the point.

i work with PWC ppl before for one project which can retrend ppl in the company but in the end, many ppl against it and very hard for us to proceed. then my big boss give us a advise, either u want big bang or slowly change or restructure the company? many ppl choose restructure... hmmm... then i have no comment after this...

[waiyeng]

You know what's said about Malaysia nowadays? It's a dangerous place. News of road crimes / rape / murder are reported in foreign newspapers. Some guy from the Police Force in Malaysia, father of an acquintance, while on a recent trip to the US to visit his son told stories of all sorts of crimes taking place in Malaysia, reported and unreported in the news. Now another acquintance who was at this 'story telling' session forbids his gf (my fren) to drive to KL for fear tt she'll get kidnapped, raped or murdered. Then, the expat from IBM who was killed in her hotel room in KL was / still is a client of my employer's. The MPV belonging to a colleague of mine was stolen during his trip to Malaysia last year.

Now i'm wondering... has Malaysia really turned that notorious, or has it been this way but the crimes went unreported?

[noname]

memang happening in m'sia, just sometimes it didnt report/written in the news/newspaper... you know lah... pay to keep quiet... malaysia boleh mah...

[Diong_Gar_Loon]

you know currently we are going through a massive crackdown on illegal immigrants. my worry is that most of this illegal immigrants have gone into hiding in the jungles and plantations. most probably, many will not be able to be caught. for now, they may have prepared some food and money for this escapade but how long can they last in the jungle. in the end, they will be very desperate and the only option is to steal. eventually, the people of malaysia will be at lost if the situation is not controlled properly. anyone has other thoughts on this?

[noname]

come to think about it, yes, m'sia will rugi but it is also very hard for the "G" to take action. some party say no and some say yes. so by the time they said go, all the illegal immigrant already went hiding for sometimes.

m'sia attitute is tak apa situation. as long the situation havent gone worst yet, they wont take action. "G" only take action when the case is already happen.

for e.g. canny ong issue. straight away take action and become front page almost everyday last time. this time i must praise the "G" but to extend how long. what i think is, they take action when they like it... some case they take it so seriously, some not. izit fair to other victim? i dun think so...

[jeongyik]

you know currently we are going through a massive crackdown on illegal immigrants. my worry is that most of this illegal immigrants have gone into hiding in the jungles and plantations. most probably, many will not be able to be caught. for now, they may have prepared some food and money for this escapade but how long can they last in the jungle. in the end, they will be very desperate and the only option is to steal. eventually, the people of malaysia will be at lost if the situation is not controlled properly. anyone has other thoughts on this?
No other thought but to agree with you. :laugh: .
I think presently, the government is only act on ad hoc basis. Could be true or could not be. There is seldom a long term solution to certain issues. More cut and paste situation. Cut here and paste there, then cut from else where to paste here.... sigh

[jeongyik]

come to think about it, yes, m'sia will rugi but it is also very hard for the "G" to take action. some party say no and some say yes. so by the time they said go, all the illegal immigrant already went hiding for sometimes.

m'sia attitute is tak apa situation. as long the situation havent gone worst yet, they wont take action. "G" only take action when the case is already happen.

for e.g. canny ong issue. straight away take action and become front page almost everyday last time. this time i must praise the "G" but to extend how long. what i think is, they take action when they like it... some case they take it so seriously, some not. izit fair to other victim? i dun think so...
AGREE again.
I am particularly interested with the attention given by the media towards Canny Ong case. What if let say the same thing happen to a woman estate worker somewhere in the plantation. Will the press give the same highlight? Is LT trying to say that the G take quick action because of the highlight? Is that true?

[noname]

from what i observed, i mean me only... if something is highlight in the newspaper, then only "G" will take action. for e.g. the letters column where the reader send in the complain about certain issue, then on following day and so, i can see some of the head of the department in "G" will respond to it and get it fix ASAP.

press does have influence to make the "G" to take action unless the "G" *ahem*...

[Robin Kok CH]

Aiyah, this thing very common one.....every country also have one.....

just a matter of how well that "G" able to cover up lor....as in Malaysia's case, not that good in cover ups.....

[noname]

ahahaha. agreed... but majority ppl are corrupted due to $$$... under table money.

[-jinhan-]

well for every 1 case reported, 10 cases goes unreported. same everywhere in the world. :)

[Dino]

I have an American friend(he works as financial advisor for some Wall Street consulting firm) who did business dealings with Malaysian companies and he said, he hates to deal with Malaysian companies because he cannot compete without putting some money under the table to certain authorities(he says this people expects to be bribed). His problem with this is that if the US govt someway finds out that a US company bribes to gain advantage over competitors, the responsible party will be in trouble. So whenever he has business dealings involving Malaysia, he tries to avoid it.

[noname]

so seem like m'sia "G" taking "b" over certain things...

same like getting car number plate too. if you chase them to get it fast, must pay additional RM100 to speed up the process... otherwise wait... where got this type of system one? can i complain ahhh?

[Robin Kok CH]

Yah, complain to PM JY......

[noname]

Yah, complain to PM JY......

ahahaha. no point complain to him. he will say no comment one... :sad-2:

[jeongyik]

ahahaha. no point complain to him. he will say no comment one... :sad-2:
ya...what else can I do? can you tell me? I think basically, the public can also play a role too. Afterall the public has a choice of not giving the under table money and bring this issue to the higher authorities. If the public kept on giving...I don't see why they stop taking....and once they start taking...they will ask from the next person....and it became a norm. I suggest that the public should put their feet down and demand for a better services from the government rather than going the easier way...i.e..pay to settle the problem... and would anyone take the trouble to lodge complaint?

[athena]

ya...what else can I do? can you tell me? I think basically, the public can also play a role too. Afterall the public has a choice of not giving the under table money and bring this issue to the higher authorities. If the public kept on giving...I don't see why they stop taking....and once they start taking...they will ask from the next person....and it became a norm. I suggest that the public should put their feet down and demand for a better services from the government rather than going the easier way...i.e..pay to settle the problem... and would anyone take the trouble to lodge complaint?
sorry ah to hijack ur class' thread.

most of the time, when we lodge complaints, we don't see any results. so i guess, if we can't beat them might as well join 'em? no?

[noname]

yes, athena have a point here. even when we log or against them, does it give us benefit? the officer might give us a cool threaten from the time onward, thus giving us difficult time.

many ppl want it fast. if the customer is rich, then i would say few hundred RM for them is nothing... they rather pay it to get it done quickly than waiting.

[athena]

yes, athena have a point here. even when we log or against them, does it give us benefit? the officer might give us a cool threaten from the time onward, thus giving us difficult time.

many ppl want it fast. if the customer is rich, then i would say few hundred RM for them is nothing... they rather pay it to get it done quickly than waiting.
so true....although the clerks at the front desk might just be a small fry. but it could be quite a hassle is that person tries to be funny...dem! basically i think it is the mentality.

[-jinhan-]

basically these government workers are paid too low. so they have to sort to bribes to compensate their pay. but whatever it is, the top management should be taken into responsibility too cause : "fish rot from the head" :p

[noname]

yameh, fish rot from the head meh.... ok. learn new thing :P

if "G" pay the employee too low, then the worker might as well work in private company... better pay.

say about "G" - polis "P". befoe CNY, my neighbour ahh... make hell of the noise throughout the whole midnight from 10pm++ until 4am... talking, shouting, singing, chasing one another trying to be fun... yelling, playing guitar and etc... somemore their house is still empty coz less furniture. can imagine the echo sound ringing thoughout the whole neighbourhood...

until 1++, i couldnt stand anymore and call "P". they said another neighbour also complain but the patrol car couldnt found it. so i direct them again and if lost, call my hp. they didnt even come also...

they somemore telling me is CNY coming lah... tentu mereka party punya... bagi mereka happy lah... i was so bengan when i hear it... ppl need to work next day, not like student can sleep late.

after the incident, i dun trust "P" liao... report also nothing happen. i think the m'sia ppl also face it before, report and no action. so they will think no point to logde or complain again since no action taken... :(

[jeongyik]

sorry ah to hijack ur class' thread.

most of the time, when we lodge complaints, we don't see any results. so i guess, if we can't beat them might as well join 'em? no?
Then may i ask....did you follow up on the complaints. Many ppl think that when they lodge a complaints, the issue end there and then. How many of us really took the trouble to find out what happen and any follow up with our complaints. I believe if everyone consistently doing so...by the end of the day, we will have a good "g" services.

[jeongyik]

yes, athena have a point here. even when we log or against them, does it give us benefit? the officer might give us a cool threaten from the time onward, thus giving us difficult time.

many ppl want it fast. if the customer is rich, then i would say few hundred RM for them is nothing... they rather pay it to get it done quickly than waiting.
I think that is not the right attitude of approaching this issue. Morally and legally WRONG. The officer must be made known that they are PAID to do the work...so NO FAVOUR should be given to THEM. If everyone think like that....then we will have a very corrupted G services. Of course the G should also play role here......but let us work hand in hand to make our country less corrupt.

[jeongyik]

so true....although the clerks at the front desk might just be a small fry. but it could be quite a hassle is that person tries to be funny...dem! basically i think it is the mentality.
So change them! you can do so...believe me :cool:

[noname]

we can do it but wat is the consequences when we do it? i still belief wat JN said is true... top down management need to change 1st before the kuli or small potato employee...

if employee sudah correcupted, wat more for top ppl?

[CheeHong]

It is sometime very hard to go the Legal/proper way to get thing done because we live in a society which is full of greediness and tendency to get thing done quick and simple.This is a very typical Asian culture where a lot of time self interest come first.

For example in the business world,at this point of time if we dont give some Kopi money we might end up losing to our competitor.For example things like bidding for "G" contract,it is almost a must to pay kopi money or you are some big shot to obtain it .


The other issue is also the low pay of "G" servant in Malaysia.For example is the diff of Prison or Police Officer of Malaysia and Singapore.I ever heard from the Officer from Malaysia quite a num of Traffic police rejected a promotion because once they are promoted they will not be able to go on their Bike for patrol anymore which will subsequently deny them of side income.I think the Malaysia G are doing the right thing in increasing the civil servant salary in Malaysia but there is still much to be done because the salary is still too low to curb the act of corruption.Just for your info a grad with 2nd class honours with National service in Singapore salary start at about 2.9K .


My Humble sharing:)

[jeongyik]

we can do it but wat is the consequences when we do it? i still belief wat JN said is true... top down management need to change 1st before the kuli or small potato employee...

if employee sudah correcupted, wat more for top ppl?
Good idea.. Top down

[jeongyik]

It is sometime very hard to go the Legal/proper way to get thing done because we live in a society which is full of greediness and tendency to get thing done quick and simple.This is a very typical Asian culture where a lot of time self interest come first.

For example in the business world,at this point of time if we dont give some Kopi money we might end up losing to our competitor.For example things like bidding for "G" contract,it is almost a must to pay kopi money or you are some big shot to obtain it .


The other issue is also the low pay of "G" servant in Malaysia.For example is the diff of Prison or Police Officer of Malaysia and Singapore.I ever heard from the Officer from Malaysia quite a num of Traffic police rejected a promotion because once they are promoted they will not be able to go on their Bike for patrol anymore which will subsequently deny them of side income.I think the Malaysia G are doing the right thing in increasing the civil servant salary in Malaysia but there is still much to be done because the salary is still too low to curb the act of corruption.Just for your info a grad with 2nd class honours with National service in Singapore salary start at about 2.9K .


My Humble sharing:)

CH, I agree with what you say. And we admitted that typical Asian culture where a lot of time "self interest come first" ( I'm not too sure how many will agree with me). But don't you think it's time for us to change this bad element? Maybe the culture has seen Asian success for many centuries but do we think we want this culture anymore?

I can understand how low pay the Malaysian G servant got. But they must also understand that before going into service. I have people without fail to ask me whether they join Police force can allowed them to take bribe or not. You see, that is the public perspective on the G services. Any comment?

[skink]

CH, I agree with what you say. And we admitted that typical Asian culture where a lot of time "self interest come first" ( I'm not too sure how many will agree with me). But don't you think it's time for us to change this bad element? Maybe the culture has seen Asian success for many centuries but do we think we want this culture anymore?

I can understand how low pay the Malaysian G servant got. But they must also understand that before going into service. I have people without fail to ask me whether they join Police force can allowed them to take bribe or not. You see, that is the public perspective on the G services. Any comment?Many did not join G service by choice. A lot is driven into that direction due to lack of qualification on their part. Those who did actually did join on their own accord; planning to make a difference usually find themselves disappointed.

As for the typical Asian culture, I doubt much will change given the current situation. How much impact can the small fries make with the big fishes still going about with it? We are really in need of a leader who dares to shake the very foundation at every level, not just making an example of a couple of small fries.

[CheeHong]

CH, I agree with what you say. And we admitted that typical Asian culture where a lot of time "self interest come first" ( I'm not too sure how many will agree with me). But don't you think it's time for us to change this bad element? Maybe the culture has seen Asian success for many centuries but do we think we want this culture anymore?

I can understand how low pay the Malaysian G servant got. But they must also understand that before going into service. I have people without fail to ask me whether they join Police force can allowed them to take bribe or not. You see, that is the public perspective on the G services. Any comment?


First of all like what all you guys are saying the Top management got to take the first step.But I would say this will be a long issue if not everlasting.This is due to the fact that a lot of people on top there would not stop living in this kind of comfort zone.I can tell you that you can hardly find any company which have not giving Kopi money somehow or rather.

I would only say we can reduce the rate of corruption first, and that should be our Gov foremost goal because to prevent it alltogether would be near impossible.First of all the education must do an important part too , for example in changing our so call Asian Culture.

Personally I would be happy if our country corruption rate is down by 50%.I would say that itself is already a very heavy task.I can say even in country like Singapore there is still corruption .Its just that the rate is low and does not involve the mass public most of the time.


Another problem is a lot of Police officer or government servant already plan to take bribe before they join that particular service.They already know of the low pay but at the same time they also know of the "Side Income Available". But if the pay is high like in some developt country like Hk or Singapore [Asian also :)] they will have to think twice because their stable and good paying Job are at stake. On the other hand if their Job are too low they would not even mind losing that particular Job.

[noname]

agreed with CH said. quite difficult to get the top mgmt butt moving along. they will probably said what for or no problem, go ahead but they nv show support also. merely NATO only.

[jeongyik]

I think I can sum up that everyone agree that the changes must come from the top and there must be a political will to do so. Yee Kin says that it is hard to change the negative "Asian Culture" but Chee Hong pointed out that it should starts from education. However it should change, it should not be a drastic change that we Asian lost our own identity. At this point of time, I am still wondering whether taking bribes or offering bribes is part and parcel of Asian Culture. Whatever it is, we Asian should take pride on our own cultures.


Thank you for participating on this topic.

[noname]

also depend to individual too - human factor. culture is just an excuse, we can chose not to follow the culture of bad thing... but to do good thing..

[Robin Kok CH]

Any other issues you guys wanna raise?

[noname]

a lots, especially road. banyak pothholes here and there. simply cut the road and install the cable but didnt patch up properly, causing pothholes here and there...

[jeongyik]

ISSUE : ROTI CANAI, TEH TARIK AND BATIK IN OUTER SPACE.

If you read this news sometime last week, I don't know what are you reaction to it. Personally i find it suprising, as this thing came from a person which i have respected for so long.

I mean why roti canai, teh tarik and batik.....Are we going to spend millions of taxpayer money to send one astronaunt to bring these things to the outerspace. What is the achievement of doing so?

Is the another MALAYSIA BOLEH thing? any BOLEHan to give answer to this?

[noname]

ISSUE : ROTI CANAI, TEH TARIK AND BATIK IN OUTER SPACE.

If you read this news sometime last week, I don't know what are you reaction to it. Personally i find it suprising, as this thing came from a person which i have respected for so long.

I mean why roti canai, teh tarik and batik.....Are we going to spend millions of taxpayer money to send one astronaunt to bring these things to the outerspace. What is the achievement of doing so?

Is the another MALAYSIA BOLEH thing? any BOLEHan to give answer to this?
m'sia always have thought funny thought in their head. wanna to be unique in all the things... like going after world of guiness record... n etc...

i didnt read the news. wat is all about?

[jeongyik]

Read this

Wednesday March 9, 2005
Roti canai and batik spacebound

BY GEOFFREY LIP
KUALA LUMPUR: By 2007, the first Malaysians will be launched into space and they will be taking with them a piece of home – batik and roti canai.

National Space Agency (NSA) director-general Prof Datuk Dr Mazlan Othman said the astronauts could exchange culture and food with their foreign counterparts, as they would be spending six to eight days at the International Space Station.

“We will have a programme called Batik in Space and we will also launch a programme called Roti Canai in Space to see how we can bring Malaysian delicacies up to the space station.

“We will research ways to bring our astronauts' favourite food into space.

“These we can bring to Houston, in the American state of Texas, where they will study how it can be brought into space,” she said yesterday at the Exploring the Solar System exhibition launch at the National Planetarium here.

She said they would also consult ulama if the astronauts chosen were Muslim.

“If they are Muslim, we will have to ask how he or she would perform their prayer rituals or where the kiblat is. You would need an ulama for that,” she said.

Russia is expected to send Malaysia’s first astronaut into space as part of a scientific mission on board the International Space Station.

Dr Mazlan said the Russians are expected to be in Malaysia by the end of the month, and the astronauts' names would be announced by year-end.

and this : (even worst...no oppose to it...sigh)

Thursday March 10, 2005
Listeners want favourite foods for space debut

PETALING JAYA: While Red104.9 radio listeners thought it weird that roti canai and batik had been chosen to make a space trip with Malaysia’s first astronauts, many nominated instant noodles Maggi Mee and yong tau foo to be included.

Other items that made the list were papadam (thin lentil flour wafers), pickles (achar), chee cheong fun and chi-kut teh.

The poll was based on comments via SMS and phone calls during the radio station’s weekday morning show The Kickstart hosted by deejays Shareena and Tim.

“There were some listeners who asked the question, 'Are they going up there for a picnic?',” a statement from the deejays said.

There were also more down to earth suggestions from the listeners. Topping the list was the symbol of Malaysian unity – the Jalur Gemilang.

On Tuesday, National Space Agency (NSA) director-general Prof Datuk Dr Mazlan Othman said that Malaysian astronauts would be taking batik and roti canai with them to space in 2007.

[noname]

hmmm, quite dissapoint when i read the news. why they want to send all the delicacies up to space? nothing better to do meh... aiyo... if the mat salleh want to eat, they can come to m'sia to eat...

somemore wasting time and money to invest/research whether how to bring it up to space... somemore have to sembahyang... have to make additional money to build a special room for that.... haiii..

*no eyes see*

[Diong_Gar_Loon]

ISSUE : ROTI CANAI, TEH TARIK AND BATIK IN OUTER SPACE.

If you read this news sometime last week, I don't know what are you reaction to it. Personally i find it suprising, as this thing came from a person which i have respected for so long.

I mean why roti canai, teh tarik and batik.....Are we going to spend millions of taxpayer money to send one astronaunt to bring these things to the outerspace. What is the achievement of doing so?

Is the another MALAYSIA BOLEH thing? any BOLEHan to give answer to this?
i think they should send "haze" to outer space too.

[jeongyik]

i think they should send "haze" to outer space too.
hmmm....very unique... :eek:

[Robin Kok CH]

Nanti the whole Bumi kena "hazed" baru tahu....

[jeongyik]

They have roti pisang, roti bom, roti kaya...maybe now the mamak can include Roti OUTA Space

[Robin Kok CH]

They have roti pisang, roti bom, roti kaya...maybe now the mamak can include Roti OUTA Space

Hey, not bad idea le JY, can include also ROTI SPACE

[jeongyik]

And suprisingly....it appear in Utusan Malaysia today :

Anak penjual roti canai kedua terbaik STPM 2004
Oleh: MOHD. KHUZAIRI ISMAIL

KUALA LUMPUR 13 Mac - Kemiskinan dan kesusahan hidup mendorong anak seorang penjual roti canai, Tee Teng Teng berusaha gigih sehingga muncul sebagai salah seorang pelajar terbaik Sijil Tinggi Persekolahan Malaysia (STPM) 2004.

Bekas pelajar Sekolah Menengah Kebangsaan Seri Keledang, Menglembu, Ipoh ini tidak menjadikan kesukaran itu sebagai halangan untuk memperoleh pangkat A bagi mata pelajaran Pengajian Am, Kimia, Biologi, Fizik dan Matematik.

Gadis berusia 19 tahun dan bercita-cita menjadi doktor ini dibesarkan sendirian oleh ibu tunggal, Koh Pek Lan yang mengusahakan kedai kopi dan menjual roti canai.

Ibu bapanya berpisah kira-kira 13 tahun lalu ketika Teng Teng berusia enam tahun.

Dengan pendapatan kira-kira RM800

sebulan, ibunya menyara kehidupan mereka tiga beranak termasuk seorang adik lelakinya yang turut mencatat keputusan cemerlang dalam Sijil Pelajaran Malaysia (SPM) baru-baru ini dengan mendapat 8A.

Teng Teng yang berhasrat melanjutkan pelajaran ke Universiti Malaya (UM) berkata, dia meletakkan keadaan hidupnya dan ibunya sebagai fokus utama sepanjang mengulangkaji pelajaran.

``Saya mahu merubah nasib keluarga, itulah azam dan tekad yang mendorong saya berusaha bersungguh-sungguh dan melakukan yang terbaik dalam peperiksaan ini,'' katanya.

Teng Teng diumumkan pelajar kedua cemerlang oleh Pengerusi Majlis Peperiksaan Malaysia (MPM), Tan Sri Abu Hassan Othman pada majlis pengumuman keputusan peperiksaan STPM 2004, di sini hari ini.

Pada majlis yang turut dihadiri Ketua Eksekutif MPM, Datuk Termuzi Abdul Aziz itu, Nur Ashikin Abdul Rahim pula diumumkan pelajar paling cemerlang, manakala tujuh lagi pelajar lain turut mencatat kejayaan cemerlang.

Ketika ditanya strateginya ketika belajar, Teng Teng berkata, dia gemar membuat nota ringkas ketika mengulangkaji pelajaran, selain latihan secara berterusan untuk menguji dan mengukuhkan kefahaman.

``Saya juga akan pastikan sentiasa bersedia lebih awal sebelum peperiksaan dan yang paling penting sentiasa bertanyakan guru jika menghadapi sebarang masalah,'' katanya.

[jeongyik]

Anyway kudos to Teng Teng....

[noname]

soon they will send roti wira/waja,gen2,perdana to outer space... promoting m'sia car..

another issue which i quite bengan off. about afta. what is the lady doing ahh? saying afta will decrease the imported car price but now increase 5% to 30% starting from july 2005. wat the f***?

[Robin Kok CH]

soon they will send roti wira/waja,gen2,perdana to outer space... promoting m'sia car..

another issue which i quite bengan off. about afta. what is the lady doing ahh? saying afta will decrease the imported car price but now increase 5% to 30% starting from july 2005. wat the f***?

To increase her "fat pocket" first mah before making the decrease....

[waiyeng]

Read this

Wednesday March 9, 2005
Roti canai and batik spacebound

BY GEOFFREY LIP
KUALA LUMPUR: By 2007, the first Malaysians will be launched into space and they will be taking with them a piece of home – batik and roti canai.

National Space Agency (NSA) director-general Prof Datuk Dr Mazlan Othman said the astronauts could exchange culture and food with their foreign counterparts, as they would be spending six to eight days at the International Space Station.

“We will have a programme called Batik in Space and we will also launch a programme called Roti Canai in Space to see how we can bring Malaysian delicacies up to the space station.

“We will research ways to bring our astronauts' favourite food into space.

“These we can bring to Houston, in the American state of Texas, where they will study how it can be brought into space,” she said yesterday at the Exploring the Solar System exhibition launch at the National Planetarium here.

She said they would also consult ulama if the astronauts chosen were Muslim.

“If they are Muslim, we will have to ask how he or she would perform their prayer rituals or where the kiblat is. You would need an ulama for that,” she said.

Russia is expected to send Malaysia’s first astronaut into space as part of a scientific mission on board the International Space Station.

Dr Mazlan said the Russians are expected to be in Malaysia by the end of the month, and the astronauts' names would be announced by year-end.

and this : (even worst...no oppose to it...sigh)

Thursday March 10, 2005
Listeners want favourite foods for space debut

PETALING JAYA: While Red104.9 radio listeners thought it weird that roti canai and batik had been chosen to make a space trip with Malaysia’s first astronauts, many nominated instant noodles Maggi Mee and yong tau foo to be included.

Other items that made the list were papadam (thin lentil flour wafers), pickles (achar), chee cheong fun and chi-kut teh.

The poll was based on comments via SMS and phone calls during the radio station’s weekday morning show The Kickstart hosted by deejays Shareena and Tim.

“There were some listeners who asked the question, 'Are they going up there for a picnic?',” a statement from the deejays said.

There were also more down to earth suggestions from the listeners. Topping the list was the symbol of Malaysian unity – the Jalur Gemilang.

On Tuesday, National Space Agency (NSA) director-general Prof Datuk Dr Mazlan Othman said that Malaysian astronauts would be taking batik and roti canai with them to space in 2007.


Hmm...Fascinating news!

Maybe they should have astronaut suits made of batik prints.

Do we even have enough funds for these sort of programmes?

[waiyeng]

Yet another reported news on a motorist being beaten to death by a group of bikers near Jelapang.... haiz...

[waiyeng]

GarLoon

Refer your avator. Bad Hair Day? :smile-2: Haha, eye catching. Maybe they should send an orang utan to space...

It's 9:42pm and i'm still in the office.... thank god it's coming to an end soon :p

[noname]

Hmm...Fascinating news!

Maybe they should have astronaut suits made of batik prints.

Do we even have enough funds for these sort of programmes?
probably using our income tax fund doing some unnecessary thing to promote m'sia in space... stupid "G".

[noname]

Yet another reported news on a motorist being beaten to death by a group of bikers near Jelapang.... haiz...
yeah, i heard it too. kesian the motorist. another case in JB. the m'sian drove a s'porean car number plate and get whack and slash by a johorean ppl... :(

[Diong_Gar_Loon]

GarLoon

Refer your avator. Bad Hair Day? :smile-2: Haha, eye catching. Maybe they should send an orang utan to space...

It's 9:42pm and i'm still in the office.... thank god it's coming to an end soon :p
kena electrocuted.

[noname]

kena electrocuted.
who cause your beloved monkey kena electrocuted? you izit? :P

[jeongyik]

soon they will send roti wira/waja,gen2,perdana to outer space... promoting m'sia car..

another issue which i quite bengan off. about afta. what is the lady doing ahh? saying afta will decrease the imported car price but now increase 5% to 30% starting from july 2005. wat the f***?
What she say is very true...the import duty has in fact decrease which actually make the car more cheaper. However, they g decided to protect the local car maker, hence they imposed the excise duty which is not restricted under AFTA to make our local car more competitive in terms of pricing. It's just a manipulation...korek lubang to tampal the other lubang

[jeongyik]

Hmm...Fascinating news!

Maybe they should have astronaut suits made of batik prints.

Do we even have enough funds for these sort of programmes?
Hmmm.....the funding....first you have to know that this is a joint programme between Malaysian and the Russian government. The Russian will do everything from training to sending the Malaysian Astronaunt to the space. In return the Malaysian government will buy Sokhail Fighter Jets from the Russian and also sending oil palm to Russia by barter, viz the Russian are getting the oil palm without paying a single cent. That's how the get the money.

And it's not the Malaysian are going to build the space center, rockets or any training center. Just send a Malaysian, roti canai and batik then the rest you figure it out lar...

[noname]

but the "G" make other imported car to rise too.... thus difficult for us to buy imported car. indirectly the "G" forcing us to buy their car???

for the price, we can buy a better quality car as proton is tak apa attitude. same goes to the proton... datuk.

[noname]

Hmmm.....the funding....first you have to know that this is a joint programme between Malaysian and the Russian government. The Russian will do everything from training to sending the Malaysian Astronaunt to the space. In return the Malaysian government will buy Sokhail Fighter Jets from the Russian and also sending oil palm to Russia by barter, viz the Russian are getting the oil palm without paying a single cent. That's how the get the money.

And it's not the Malaysian are going to build the space center, rockets or any training center. Just send a Malaysian, roti canai and batik then the rest you figure it out lar...
ahahaha... can we say like a bride like that? how much do "G" need to send the palm oil to russian? any agreement or contract?

[jeongyik]

ahahaha... can we say like a bride like that? how much do "G" need to send the palm oil to russian? any agreement or contract?
There is a formal agreement to tat...

[noname]

oh... ic ic. as least not verbal agreement ahhh...

[Robin Kok CH]

oh... ic ic. as least not verbal agreement ahhh...

Of course not verbal agreement....very dangerous nowadays....always put it in black and white...

[noname]

Of course not verbal agreement....very dangerous nowadays....always put it in black and white...
yup, agreed especially the boss... tok kok only.

[jeongyik]

As a mark of respect to Pope John Paul II, there won't be any update from me for the rest of the day in this site.

[noname]

As a mark of respect to Pope John Paul II, there won't be any update from me for the rest of the day in this site.

hmmm, i wonder why JY so good this time...

[euj]

As a mark of respect to Pope John Paul II, there won't be any update from me for the rest of the day in this site.
seriously?

[jeongyik]

seriously?
Wat I meant was on that day...not the rest of the days...

[euj]

Wat I meant was on that day...not the rest of the days...
cool...

[noname]

ur sentence little bit misleading lah... put the rest of the day... misleading lah...

[jeongyik]

ur sentence little bit misleading lah... put the rest of the day... misleading lah...
hehehehe...your name is also quite confusing....noname....hahahaha

[noname]

hehehehe...your name is also quite confusing....noname....hahahaha

ahahaha... watching too much matrix... misleading... and confuse... twisting the word too much... until pening...

[Robin Kok CH]

ahahaha... watching too much matrix... misleading... and confuse... twisting the word too much... until pening...

always misleading one la....just need to know which angle to see lor....

[noname]

always misleading one la....just need to know which angle to see lor....
can teach me which angle i should see?

just see the movement without knowing the storyline? hmmm...

[Robin Kok CH]

can teach me which angle i should see?

just see the movement without knowing the storyline? hmmm...

which angle to see ah? Hmmm...hard to learn, even harder to teach......this one can only learn through experience le...apa macam?

[noname]

learn through experience => at least got something to point out mah...

teach lah... if hard, must teach also... otherwise how to understand

[Robin Kok CH]

learn through experience => at least got something to point out mah...

teach lah... if hard, must teach also... otherwise how to understand

Ok, so you need to find a sifu lor....

[Voon Chan]

learn through experience => at least got something to point out mah...so everything that can point out= learn through experience?:eek:

[Robin Kok CH]

so everything that can point out= learn through experience?:eek:

yah, if you have a great sifu to guide, or someone very experience passing down knowledge from one generation to the next, be it by books,etc....

[Voon Chan]

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Originally Posted by Voon Chan
so everything that can point out= learn through experience?



yah, if you have a great sifu to guide, or someone very experience passing down knowledge from one generation to the next, be it by books,etc....
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Please read in between the line.

BTw, you are talking about linage there

[Robin Kok CH]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Voon Chan
so everything that can point out= learn through experience?



yah, if you have a great sifu to guide, or someone very experience passing down knowledge from one generation to the next, be it by books,etc....
__________________
Please read in between the line.

BTw, you are talking about linage there

Not necessarily....use another angle please...

[noname]

some of the thing must learn from experience lah... cannot merely on book - theory... kekee... especially sex... muahahaha

[Robin Kok CH]

some of the thing must learn from experience lah... cannot merely on book - theory... kekee... especially sex... muahahaha

book is just another form or method of passing down knowledge or experience...
There are MANY other forms or method of passing down experience, right?

[noname]

yes, but some of the knowledge cant pass down through book only... need some handon.. :P

[jeongyik]

ISSUE: IS EXAMS AN ILLUSION OR REALITY IN MALAYSIA?
The objective of STPM is to pass people?
How do you explain the fact that 87% of the students passed the examinations of the Sijil Tinggi Persekolahan Malaysia (STPM) recently? When during your grandfather's time only 10% would have passed?
Are students getting smarter? Or are STPM questions getting easier?
Let me put things in their proper perspective.

During your grandfather's time, they would ask exam questions like:

In what year did Parameswara founded the kingdom of Melaka?

The correct answer was "1402", and they found that only 10% of the students managed to answer the question correctly. This didn't go down too well with the authorities, because the objective of the exams was to pass people.
I mean, what's the point of having exams if people fail?

So later, they found another way to ask the same question:

Parameswara founded the kingdom of Melaka in the year:
(a) 2001
(b) 2004
(c) 1986
(d) 1975
(e) 1402
Tick the correct answer.

The results were better in that 20% of the students passed. But it was
still not good enough, so the authorities tried a different tact a few years later.

Parameswara founded the kingdom of Melaka in the year1402. True or false?
Well, half of the students guessed "True" and the other half guessed "False". Fully 50% passed. The results were getting pretty acceptable by now.

Most other countries would be satisfied with a 50% passing rate, but not us. We are a better country, because we are a boleh country.The authorities then cracked their heads and then came out with this one:

Read the following sentence carefully.
"Parameswara, the cousin of Proton-Iswara, founded the kingdom of Melaka in the year 1402." Underline the name of the person who founded Melaka.
60% underlined "Parameswara", 30% underlined "Proton-Iswara" and 10% underlined "1402". Hooiyoh......60% managed to pass!
So krever! But for some reason, the authorities were still not contented. So last year, they came out with this gem: One day in the year 1402, Parameswara founded the kingdom of Melaka. Then he went home to have dinner. What did he eat?
13% handed in blank answers, 57% wrote "Maggi Mee",
and 10% wrote "Kentucky Fried Chicken", and 20% wrote "Tree bark".
the official answer was "Food" of course! After the marking was over, it was found that 87% of the students had passed.
87%............now that's pretty impressive!

I don't mean to insult anyone or downplayed the "achievement" of the recent STPM achievers or anyone who had taken such exams. But let us discuss it intellectually and study the impact which it has to our society...and unfortunately, in this discussion we do not have multiple choice here. :P

The implications? We have overcrowded Universities, lack of skills among young graduates and thousands of unemployed graduates.
What do you think?

[euj]

where did the article come from?

[jeongyik]

where did the article come from?
Someone just forward it to me, which I found to have some element of truths and I want to share it with you guys. :)

[euj]

hmm, wonder what the actual source is...

[euj]

is it really that easy to pass STPM nowadays. if i remember correctly, it was really hard. i took the West Australian TEE, so i don't really know...

[jeongyik]

hmm, wonder what the actual source is...
The above article doesn't reflect the actual questions of STPM but rather set as an example on the direction and format of the questions being asked in the exam in recent period. It may not just confine to STPM but also other public examinations.

[noname]

but all the recent graduate student, even our time too... our learning skills in uni is different from work. i mean we never ever use 20% of our learning skills in uni in work...

[mei]

but all the recent graduate student, even our time too... our learning skills in uni is different from work. i mean we never ever use 20% of our learning skills in uni in work...


I totally agree. It would be home if you are still in the same industry as the degree you had obtained. need more survival skill man than the knowledge.

[mei]

now adays... fresh grads are so picky. perhaps, uni is so much easier to pass and get a degree, skill workers are getting lesser... wrold had changed...

wow.. talking like an old lady here.. but it is true... some fresh grads' response, you can never believe it!!! It shock you most of the time!!

U ask you question " how come you are unemployed for 6 months?, they go.... aaaa.......after like 30 seconds, they ask.."can you repeat again?"

Can u believe that?