Shud women stay home or work?

[clos]

in general answer, i wld vote for women, shld work !

BUT, if husband kaya-raya, i dont mind NOT WORKING....ada masa pehgi minum @ kopibean, and shopping with kids + maid :D

[daBoss]

in general answer, i wld vote for women, shld work !

BUT, if husband kaya-raya, i dont mind NOT WORKING....ada masa pehgi minum @ kopibean, and shopping with kids + maid :D
my honest opinion, women should stay at home to take care of family - ensure that the children grow up well and that the household is kept well...

however, reality is that most women need to work to support the family... what to do, it's a hard life - especially in kl...

[kamkuey]

Like most of everything else, there are pros and cons.

One of the pros is that.. can take better care of kids lor.

One of the cons is that.. too much time. An idle mind is the devil's playground.

[kamkuey]

my honest opinion, women should stay at home to take care of family - ensure that the children grow up well and that the household is kept well...

however, reality is that most women need to work to support the family... what to do, it's a hard life - especially in kl...
Agree...
Especially with the increasing cost of living and the amount of tuition and extra classes for the kids.

[piglet]

Depend on whether the woman prefer working, if not, could the man earn enough to support the family?

[kamkuey]

Depend on whether the woman prefer working, if not, could the man earn enough to support the family?

that is the golden question...

[siewjang]

If I can, I'll choose to stay home with the kids especially now that they need moral support and education wise. Can't depend much on kakak or babysitter. Kakak do give me tones of headache. Song, agree? Yay!

[clos]

sekarang punya era pompuan semua mau kerja, cari duit.... :D
what if they earn higher than the hubby? will u guys be offended/small winded? :o

[siewjang]

sekarang punya era pompuan semua mau kerja, cari duit.... :D
what if they earn higher than the hubby? will u guys be offended/small winded? :o
I'll stay home for the sake of my kids and not for power or stuff. But i can't afford to do that. Unless i'm not under any morgage.

[kamkuey]

sekarang punya era pompuan semua mau kerja, cari duit.... :D
what if they earn higher than the hubby? will u guys be offended/small winded? :o
Like piglet mentioned, if wifey stays home, hubby should earn enough to cover all expenses, including entertainment and holidays and still have extra. Otherwise.. susah.

I would not mind if my wife earns more than me. These days.. many power career ladies ler..

[clos]

but hor, as daboss said, ladies stay home jaga anak.....then they become, yellow face lady lor....haggardly looking, c also not interested lah.
like olden days, ladies stays indoor, men cari kerja....then that also gives them, MAY or MAYNOT, cari pompuan kat luar also, right? cuz the indoor want, everyday jaga anak saja. whatever happen also pun tak tau, not expose.

[siewjang]

Indoor got Internet.

Indoor can get plenty of sleep.

Indoor can go shopping without taking day off.

Indoor will have quality time with kids.

Indoor can retired when the kids grown up. It's still not too late then.

[kamkuey]

If indoor = must_have then
outdoor_man_salary > monthly_expenses*3
Else
indoor cannot_have
End if

[clos]

okok, agree with siewjang

[piglet]

If indoor = must_have then
outdoor_man_salary > monthly_expenses*3
Else
indoor cannot_have
End if

If outdoor_man_salary < monthly_expenses
then
Indoor NO Internet.
Indoor canNOT get plenty of sleep.
Indoor can go to market with kids.
Indoor will NOT have quality time with kids, need to wash wash wash..cook,cook cook
Indoor canNOT retired when the kids grown up. They need to go to UnI

[song cm]

If I can, I'll choose to stay home with the kids especially now that they need moral support and education wise. Can't depend much on kakak or babysitter. Kakak do give me tones of headache. Song, agree? Yay!

agree110%....I am sending the kakak home in Feb....

[arch-an-gel]

This has been a longgggg debate since decades and centuries.. since that cute first woman who fought for women's right to vote and go to school..

Shalom. :)

[Hisham]

Why stop just at women? Ideally both the husband and wife SHOULD be staying home to take care of the kids and home, with a steady income trickling in from other sources. I really don't mind that.

I know this only be a reality to people who are not just millionaires but have good financial planning and well-managed lives as well. In other words, not people like us. :(

[Robin Kok CH]

Women should stay at home to take care of newborn baby because that is critical for the first few years. Maybe work from home lor if need to...

[siewjang]

If indoor = must_have then
outdoor_man_salary > monthly_expenses*3
Else
indoor cannot_have
End if
Me very blur leh. Can rephrase or not?

[ahbau]

but hor, as daboss said, ladies stay home jaga anak.....then they become, yellow face lady lor....haggardly looking, c also not interested lah.
like olden days, ladies stays indoor, men cari kerja....then that also gives them, MAY or MAYNOT, cari pompuan kat luar also, right? cuz the indoor want, everyday jaga anak saja. whatever happen also pun tak tau, not expose.

agree.
that's why housewives have to dress up and look good too.

[ahbau]

Why stop just at women? Ideally both the husband and wife SHOULD be staying home to take care of the kids and home, with a steady income trickling in from other sources. I really don't mind that.

I know this only be a reality to people who are not just millionaires but have good financial planning and well-managed lives as well. In other words, not people like us. :(

you're totally right hisham especially the last sentence, "not people like us"

[ahbau]

Me very blur leh. Can rephrase or not?

you're listening to an IT guy speaking.

[song cm]

I would let my wife decide for herself as it doesn't make sense for her to stay at home after spending so much time completing her tertiary education.
But currently staying at home is not an option for us as we have loans to pay. Maybe in 10 yrs time...... :D and both of us can stay at home.....

[siewjang]

My parents are teachers (primary school) way back at the '80s. Imagine how much teachers earn at that time. Yet they can afford to feed 6 hungry mouths, buy a car and a house. And send all the 6 to uni. Her secret is spent only on necessary things. She always nagged at the way we spent money for unnecessary things like Guess T-shirt and stuff. Well, maybe if mothers this generation control their spendings wisely, they might afford to stay home and had quality time with their kids.

[daLady]

Women should stay at home to take care of newborn baby because that is critical for the first few years. Maybe work from home lor if need to...

Didi...ever try taking care of newborn all by yourself? No? Try that and you tell me if you can juggle any work from home... :D

[daLady]

My parents are teachers (primary school) way back at the '80s. Imagine how much teachers earn at that time. Yet they can afford to feed 6 hungry mouths, buy a car and a house. And send all the 6 to uni. Her secret is spent only on necessary things. She always nagged at the way we spent money for unnecessary things like Guess T-shirt and stuff. Well, maybe if mothers this generation control their spendings wisely, they might afford to stay home and had quality time with their kids.

Yeah...I agree that it is absolutely possible for us to survive on one income if that is what we really want..but we'll have to sacrifice the little luxuries. There are many people around us who has smaller household incomes and bigger families but they survive anyhow...

For me...I'd rather work than become a housewife...need to socialize with otherslah.

[song cm]

Yeah...I agree that it is absolutely possible for us to survive on one income if that is what we really want..but we'll have to sacrifice the little luxuries. There are many people around us who has smaller household incomes and bigger families but they survive anyhow...

For me...I'd rather work than become a housewife...need to socialize with otherslah.

I guess it is much cheaper stayin in a small town like S'wan....
Nothin much to do......stay at home most of the time....

You know, the worst is grocery shopping.....Even if I hv nothing in mind to buy, I can spend RM100++ just by going grocery shopping....buying non essential items....

[clos]

2d ladies in da hse,
we shld continue working and earn $ to use, either for hsehold or buy stuffs pampering sendiri. :D

2d gentleman out there,
work and earn money, for hse and pamper your wives :D

[athena]

i guess, if we can afford it, for the few vital years of the kids lives, mommy or daddy, either one, should stay at home to take care of 'em but once the kiddies goes to school, they should return to work, it gets little boring sometimes to be in the house when the kids are away in school...

[daBoss]

My parents are teachers (primary school) way back at the '80s. Imagine how much teachers earn at that time. Yet they can afford to feed 6 hungry mouths, buy a car and a house. And send all the 6 to uni. Her secret is spent only on necessary things. She always nagged at the way we spent money for unnecessary things like Guess T-shirt and stuff. Well, maybe if mothers this generation control their spendings wisely, they might afford to stay home and had quality time with their kids.
same case for my family. but things are different now... e.g.
1. a can of infant formula - rm 50
2. son's (< 4 years old) schooling - rm 300
3. i spend about rm everyday on toll to my office

after paying for bills, mortgage and assurance/insurance, literally nothing left. if dalady not working, have to start begging oreidi.

some more, car oreidi fully paid for (9 year old proton)... if decide to buy new car, really have to start begging liao... :(

[song cm]

i guess, if we can afford it, for the few vital years of the kids lives, mommy or daddy, either one, should stay at home to take care of 'em but once the kiddies goes to school, they should return to work, it gets little boring sometimes to be in the house when the kids are away in school...

It is tough to take time off esp when both parties have their careers to pursue.....so the next best thing would be grand parents lor....but must make sure you make up for lost time during the weekends or at nite.... :D

[song cm]

same case for my family. but things are different now... e.g.
1. a can of infant formula - rm 50
2. son's (< 4 years old) schooling - rm 300
3. i spend about rm everyday on toll to my office

after paying for bills, mortgage and assurance/insurance, literally nothing left. if dalady not working, have to start begging oreidi.

some more, car oreidi fully paid for (9 year old proton)... if decide to buy new car, really have to start begging liao... :(

Haha... daBoss, u forgot abt the diapers and maid costs.... :D

Yeah, really, everythin nowadays costs $$$.....dem :(

[Dino]

Moral of story....if cannot afford it, don't get married and have kids. Can't imagine the stress some people lower income. After house rent and car payments.....nothing left liao...

[siewjang]

Moral of story....if cannot afford it, don't get married and have kids. Can't imagine the stress some people lower income. After house rent and car payments.....nothing left liao...
Hehe, i would say married a rich one. Then less financial stress. You still can get married but choose not to have kids. Being with a partner, you can share the house mortgage together. That is a plus.

[Linkinfark]

Sometimes having both parents at home doesn't really work well either..
For instance my neighbour works from home. Making good money, but off and on I hear them shouting and throwing things around. Even the wife shouts damn loud. The son used to ponteng school and go to cybercafes. The daughter also when she argues with her parents, will go riding on her bicycle in the middle of the night! So still a bit dysfunctional although they're well off..
I guess this varies from household to household. But I do agree that having my wife at home would be ideal provided I can afford it. At this point of time sad to say tak boleh! :(

[athena]

Sometimes having both parents at home doesn't really work well either..
For instance my neighbour works from home. Making good money, but off and on I hear them shouting and throwing things around. Even the wife shouts damn loud. The son used to ponteng school and go to cybercafes. The daughter also when she argues with her parents, will go riding on her bicycle in the middle of the night! So still a bit dysfunctional although they're well off..
I guess this varies from household to household. But I do agree that having my wife at home would be ideal provided I can afford it. At this point of time sad to say tak boleh! :(
summary: money doesn't solve yer problems!

[Linkinfark]

Moral of story....if cannot afford it, don't get married and have kids. Can't imagine the stress some people lower income. After house rent and car payments.....nothing left liao...

I wonder how the people from the majority population survive with paltry pay and 3-4 kids?!

[daLady]

Moral of story....if cannot afford it, don't get married and have kids. Can't imagine the stress some people lower income. After house rent and car payments.....nothing left liao...

Get married still ok...the kids are the ones who's emptying the pockets ;)

[daLady]

summary: money doesn't solve yer problems!

yeah...but I still want ot have more of it :D

[daLady]

I wonder how the people from the majority population survive with paltry pay and 3-4 kids?!

You'll survive if you are in the same situation. Probably those millionaires wanders how we middle income people can survive as well...

[Diong_Gar_Loon]

You'll survive if you are in the same situation. Probably those millionaires wanders how we middle income people can survive as well...
My opinion, if condition permits............all women should stay home. If the woman needs to work, go find a job where you don't have to work long hours or go out meeting/entertaining clients. If both are hard at work, you won't even have time for each other. One in, the other one out............very bad. I have seen a lot of families run into problems because both concentrates too much at work. With women getting more independent these days, divorce rates are going up too. Not to be sexist here but I believe GOD (if you believe in one) created women for a purpose. Otherwise, why would the women be the one who carries the child for nine months in her womb and gives her milk. A child should be brought by the mum, and not the indonesian maid, mother-in law, nanny, etc.

[piglet]

My opinion, if condition permits............all women should stay home. If the woman needs to work, go find a job where you don't have to work long hours or go out meeting/entertaining clients. If both are hard at work, you won't even have time for each other. One in, the other one out............very bad. I have seen a lot of families run into problems because both concentrates too much at work. With women getting more independent these days, divorce rates are going up too. Not to be sexist here but I believe GOD (if you believe in one) created women for a purpose. Otherwise, why would the women be the one who carries the child for nine months in her womb and gives her milk. A child should be brought by the mum, and not the indonesian maid, mother-in law, nanny, etc.

Strongly agree with you ... If possible, mum should take care of their own child rather thn depending on maid, in-law.....

[daLady]

Strongly agree with you ... If possible, mum should take care of their own child rather thn depending on maid, in-law.....
Alas...life rarely turns out ideal like that....is that why you are still waiting?

[athena]

parenting should be done by both mommy and daddy and NOT some domestic help. traditionally, mommy does most of it. I say, why don't the daddies try looking after the kids instead?

[piglet]

Alas...life rarely turns out ideal like that....is that why you are still waiting?

My mum is a housewife..... I dunno how it feel like to have a working mum... guess the house will be v lonely...
* maid dunno how to talk*...*grandparents spoilt the kids*....

[Diong_Gar_Loon]

parenting should be done by both mommy and daddy and NOT some domestic help. traditionally, mommy does most of it. I say, why don't the daddies try looking after the kids instead?
agree that parenting should be by both but each has a different role to play. we are talking about either one should be staying home and the other should be getting the cash flow. we cannot have both at home. of course, the sad truth is that we cannot even afford to have one at home unless of course we are willing to sacrifice a lot of luxury in life.

[daLady]

My mum is a housewife..... I dunno how it feel like to have a working mum... guess the house will be v lonely...
* maid dunno how to talk*...*grandparents spoilt the kids*....

My mum's a working mum. I have a grandma at home who tells me her life stories (I must have heard the same thing over a hundred time). I love both of them equally well...

I don't think it makes a difference whether the mum is working or is a housewife...if you put in the effort to instill the values you want them to have, they'll turn out all right. No point staying at home and irritate them with your incessant nagging, it'll just put them off. The key here is spending meaningful quality time with them....just 20 minutes of quality time a day can make a lot of difference.

[Sarah]

My mum's a working mum. I have a grandma at home who tells me her life stories (I must have heard the same thing over a hundred time). I love both of them equally well...

I don't think it makes a difference whether the mum is working or is a housewife...if you put in the effort to instill the values you want them to have, they'll turn out all right. No point staying at home and irritate them with your incessant nagging, it'll just put them off. The key here is spending meaningful quality time with them....just 20 minutes of quality time a day can make a lot of difference.

You are right DaLady.. very wise indeed... it doesnt matter if the wife is a housewife or working mum... she has to be wise enough to make home a home. But, its not easy...The only thing that makes it different between the two, is time. The time you lose spending with children or hubby while working, make it up to them.

[daLady]

You are right DaLady.. very wise indeed... it doesnt matter if the wife is a housewife or working mum... she has to be wise enough to make home a home. But, its not easy...The only thing that makes it different between the two, is time. The time you lose spending with children or hubby while working, make it up to them.
Haha..but frankly, easier said than done :)

[siewjang]

You are right DaLady.. very wise indeed... it doesnt matter if the wife is a housewife or working mum... she has to be wise enough to make home a home. But, its not easy...The only thing that makes it different between the two, is time. The time you lose spending with children or hubby while working, make it up to them.
The time you lost is all down in the drain. You can't turn back the clock. Let say, you have a very stupid kakak or a kakak that scold vulgar word. The child is learning too. By the time realise, it's too late. Nasi sudah jadi bubur. So you think you can make up the time for them? NO!

There is no quality time other than spending those time with kids. No way that you can replace them.

That is my 2 sen worth.

[Roland_Tang]

parenting should be done by both mommy and daddy and NOT some domestic help. traditionally, mommy does most of it. I say, why don't the daddies try looking after the kids instead?

Hey, I read a lot of the postings, and I have to say that I agree with almost all of the opinions. Strange, but true.

You know what? Personally, I wouldn't mind taking up the task of taking care of the kids. Not long term, but I wouldn't mind trying. Perhaps take a week off from work, and do the task of babysitting, should be great. Anyway, this is only for those who love kids. I'm sure if you're not into kids, you'll find it like a nightmare.

I'd really like a play a role in developing my children to be better people...

[Diong_Gar_Loon]

The time you lost is all down in the drain. You can't turn back the clock. Let say, you have a very stupid kakak or a kakak that scold vulgar word. The child is learning too. By the time realise, it's too late. Nasi sudah jadi bubur. So you think you can make up the time for them? NO!

There is no quality time other than spending those time with kids. No way that you can replace them.

That is my 2 sen worth.
Totally agree again. We talk about quality time everytime but we have not considered the importance of quantity time. The more frequent you spend time with your kids, the better the bonding is. Children don't understand quality, they understand quantity. I have to say I am closer to my mum because she spends more time nagging at me comparing to my dad who is at work most of the day. At the end of the day, he tries to buddy buddy with you after work but you just can't relate to him as much as you can with your mum. But I understood what my dad has to do.........otherwise he will not have money to buy toys for me. But at the end of the day, who are you closer with. Answer: The one you spend more time with. So people, don't let your baby call your indonesian maid, "Mama".

[Sarah]

hm..that's a good one.... quantity and quality time... I guess, either the mum or dad has to make the sacrifice lor.. we can't have both staying at home.. Come to think about it, i do think of not working too hard, just so that I can give much of my time to families. What is success?? earning more money?? or having a family that has value and is bonded together??I believe, we are in a generation where we should know about all these truths.

[Sarah]

Speaking of this, there's a book which I would highly recommend:

Your money or your life by Joe Dominguez. may not seem practical, but if you really want to do it, it can be done. I have learnt soo much from that book. Then again, not everyone would be compelled by it. Still, its worth reading for some financial enlightenment.

[Roland_Tang]

Financial planning? Hmm, I was just told that insurance is a safe bet.

And properties too, that would yield great returns, firstly with struggles.

Sorry, I may sound out of line here. But ya, talking about all those, it would be good if all your family is insured.

That's just what I wanted to share.

[LiLiaN]

a note to self after reading these posts... to make sure i am financially secure prior to having family life...

[daBoss]

a note to self after reading these posts... to make sure i am financially secure prior to having family life...
then you'll never have a family :) cuz we'll never fell financially secure... as alka - he's a financial planning guru...

[Rayhong]

aiyo, personally i think this kind of things no fixed rules about it la. one has to deal with it as and when circumstances requires an action to be carried out. if it works for one, it might fail miserably for another. in short, have wisdom in all your decisions, right?

[LiLiaN]

then you'll never have a family :) cuz we'll never fell financially secure... as alka - he's a financial planning guru...hmm... really..? my financial security is defined quite simply as have decent savings, and a job with flexibility of home/office location... i'm not looking for big bungalow and flashy car... just happy simple life...

sigh... does that mean i now need to look for financially affluent guy...? darn it, why must people invent money! :confused:

[LiLiaN]

aiyo, personally i think this kind of things no fixed rules about it la. one has to deal with it as and when circumstances requires an action to be carried out. if it works for one, it might fail miserably for another. in short, have wisdom in all your decisions, right?true... afterall, someone with lots of money could fall from grace overnight... just ask mike tyson, he had millions but he's bankrupt...

the lesson - practice good finance management... or at least hire a good financial adviser when you can afford it... (alka, do we get your service for free here..?? hehe.... :D )

[Rayhong]

a person with good financial backgrounds may not live 'THE' life most of us perceive it to be. proven time and again, i have friends who are in the middle-lower income earning group, enjoying life in a way that makes me extremely envious. again it depends on the individual. :D

[daBoss]

hmm... really..? my financial security is defined quite simply as have decent savings, and a job with flexibility of home/office location... i'm not looking for big bungalow and flashy car... just happy simple life...

sigh... does that mean i now need to look for financially affluent guy...? darn it, why must people invent money! :confused:
madam, that's what everybody says... i only need so much and i'll be satisfied. you'll find that as you progress in your career, you wants become needs and you get caught trying to chase after a moving target... that's life :)

[daLady]

madam, that's what everybody says... i only need so much and i'll be satisfied. you'll find that as you progress in your career, you wants become needs and you get caught trying to chase after a moving target... that's life :)
right on ...and we know it so well..don't we... :(

[LiLiaN]

madam, that's what everybody says... i only need so much and i'll be satisfied. you'll find that as you progress in your career, you wants become needs and you get caught trying to chase after a moving target... that's life :)
well, you didn't have my kind of upbringing... my family was never really loaded... but we're always happy... and my grandparents have shown very good example of how we can live fulfilled lives without wealth-trap... i'm very thankful that they have shown me what is really important in life, and how to stay with both feets on the ground...

[Roland_Tang]

well, you didn't have my kind of upbringing... my family was never really loaded... but we're always happy... and my grandparents have shown very good example of how we can live fulfilled lives without wealth-trap... i'm very thankful that they have shown me what is really important in life, and how to stay with both feets on the ground...

Somehow I find that people living simple lives are those who are most fulfilled. And money is just a factor or a catalyst to improve living standards. It doesn't do much to keep the family intact, in fact, most of the time, money (or the love of it) divides family.

There are just so many things that we can be thankful for, and I truly appreciate hearing this, because I now know that it is possible to find happy and fulfilled people, even in the little they have. The key thing is, to be content with what you have.

[KoChun]

The key thing is, to be content with what you have.

This I fully agree, Roland.

[LiLiaN]

roland, wise words indeed... yeap, most time, money divides people... which is why i am very thankful that it is not prioritised in my home....

[Alkapocino]

true... afterall, someone with lots of money could fall from grace overnight... just ask mike tyson, he had millions but he's bankrupt...

the lesson - practice good finance management... or at least hire a good financial adviser when you can afford it... (alka, do we get your service for free here..?? hehe.... :D )
I always provide free service. Don't believe ask daBoss. Give me a call when you are back home. We can share in depth. :D

One thing young people need to know is that they have a POWERFUL essence in all type of investments...TIME. But don't waste it. Just get yourself a mentally sound MENTOR whom acquired great wealth and health and figure out why he or she has plenty and yet still happy. When you finally find an investment vehicle that is working well, you will have freedom. Here I mean free time to do a lot of things you want to do yet have no time doing it before this. I for one is also fine tunning and searching for a SOUND INVESTMENT VEHICLE and I am always available to discuss on these issues. :)

Back to the topic of the thread. Should women stay at home or work?

A very close lady friend of mine used to work in a very big firm earning quite a handsome salary. She decided to quit her job when the third baby came. She became an instant home minister for about a year or so. One fine day, she decided to do do some marketing and she drove her almost un-oiled car to the wet market. Coming back from the market she suddenly noticed a piece of paper on the left side of the screen. It's a local council "saman". The offense was, not displaying the coupons. The moral of the story was, after a long lay off from the working environment she has totally forgotten that she needs to pay for her parking. This is just one incindent of the many more untowards happenings.

Today, she decided to rejoin the working society as a Financial Planner and she has found her right INVESTMENT VEHICHLE. She has so much time and money and she together with her husband can now enjoy quality time with the kids (yet still remembering to pay for the parking ticket). :)

p/s: Easy way out for ladies. Get married to an old tycoon. Make sure that his last will has your name. Hehehe....just kidding.

[LiLiaN]

Godfather, you sounds like author of "Rich Dad, Poor Dad" leh... so impressed...!
that guy also emphasise on time IS money, and choosing right investment vehicle...
however, the guy main aim is to be rich, so the book, not very suitable for me...

ok, ok, when i come home in summer, i come find you...
i don't want to be rich, just want to have good financial plan...
so that i know how to manage things and be secure...
you want any present..? (wahlau, start bribing already...hehe.. :D )

[Alkapocino]

Godfather, you sounds like author of "Rich Dad, Poor Dad" leh... so impressed...!
that guy also emphasise on time IS money, and choosing right investment vehicle...
however, the guy main aim is to be rich, so the book, not very suitable for me...

ok, ok, when i come home in summer, i come find you...
i don't want to be rich, just want to have good financial plan...
so that i know how to manage things and be secure...
you want any present..? (wahlau, start bribing already...hehe.. :D )
Discard the RDPD book. Too many misprints and the book might caused you to end up being a pauper. :eek:

Er...Bailey will do but you must share with me. Thanks in advance.

[LiLiaN]

Discard the RDPD book. Too many misprints and the book might caused you to end up being a pauper. :eek:

Er...Bailey will do but you must share with me. Thanks is advance.
thanks, i thought that book was crap too... can't understand how it became best seller...
i only picked it up because my friend recommended it, and i mah go get one at library lor..
the advice was all wishy washy... nothing concrete, nothing learned...

hmm... baileys... very good, another of my favourite drink.. :D

[Roland_Tang]

Hey, thanks for the advise on RDPD. Everyone at work has been recommending it to me, but I kept delaying. Now hearing from you guys, I'll keep it that way.

Thanks again.

[LiLiaN]

Hey, thanks for the advise on RDPD. Everyone at work has been recommending it to me, but I kept delaying. Now hearing from you guys, I'll keep it that way.

Thanks again.
i think that's how the author get rich - fooling all who loves the catchy title...