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Anson F-Clef
09-20-2006, 10:28 AM
I Think this mistreatment has been tooooo much!

From the Washington Post:

TORONTO, Sept. 18 - Canadian intelligence officials passed false warnings and bad information to American agents about a Muslim Canadian citizen, after which U.S. authorities secretly whisked him to Syria, where he was tortured, a judicial report found Monday.

The report, released in Ottawa, was the result of a 2 1/2-year inquiry that represented one of the first public investigations into mistakes made as part of the United States' "extraordinary rendition" program, which has secretly spirited suspects to foreign countries for interrogation by often brutal methods.

The inquiry, which focused on the Canadian intelligence services, found that agents who were under pressure to find terrorists after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, falsely labeled an Ottawa computer consultant, Maher Arar, as a dangerous radical. They asked U.S. authorities to put him and his wife, a university economist, on the al-Qaeda "watchlist," without justification, the report said.

Arar was also listed as "an Islamic extremist individual" who was in the Washington area on Sept. 11. The report concluded that he had no involvement in Islamic extremism and was on business in San Diego that day, said the head of the inquiry commission, Ontario Justice Dennis O'Connor.

Coffin-sized dungeon
Arar, now 36, was detained by U.S. authorities as he changed planes in New York on Sept. 26, 2002. He was held for questioning for 12 days, then flown by jet to Jordan and driven to Syria. He was beaten, forced to confess to having trained in Afghanistan -- where he never has been -- and then kept in a coffin-size dungeon for 10 months before he was released, the Canadian inquiry commission found.

O'Connor concluded "categorically there is no evidence" that Arar did anything wrong or was a security threat.

Although the report centered on Canadian actions, the counsel for the commission, Paul Cavalluzzo, said the results show that the U.S. practice of renditions "ought to be reviewed."

"This is really the first report in the Western world that has had access to all of the government documents we wanted and saw the practice of extraordinary rendition in full color," he said in an interview from Ottawa. "The ramifications were that an innocent Canadian was tortured, his life was put upside down, and it set him back years and years."

Arar, who came to Canada from Syria when he was 17, said in Ottawa that he was thankful that he had been vindicated. He expressed surprise and anger at learning Monday that Canadian authorities also had asked U.S. authorities to put his wife on the al-Qaeda watchlist.

"Today Justice O'Connor has cleared my name and restored my reputation," he said at a news conference. He said the individual Canadian officials should be held accountable: "Justice requires no less."

‘An innocent man’
O'Connor said it was beyond his mandate to recommend discipline for any individual.

"He really is a victim of authorities in three governments, as well as being an innocent man," Irwin Cottler, a member of parliament from the Liberal Party, said after the report was issued.

Stockwell Day, the federal government's public safety minister, said the treatment of Arar was "regrettable. We hope, with any future situations, never to see this happen again."

Since Sept. 11, the CIA, working with other intelligence agencies, has captured an estimated 3,000 people in its effort to dismantle terrorist networks. Many of them have been secretly taken by "extraordinary rendition" to other countries, hidden from U.S. legal requirements and often subject to torture.

Those renditions are often carried out by CIA agents dressed head to toe in black, wearing masks, who blindfold their subjects and dress them in black. The practice is generating increased opposition by other countries; Italy is seeking to prosecute CIA officers who allegedly abducted a Muslim cleric in Milan in February 2003, and German prosecutors are investigating the CIA's activities in their country.

Although details of the renditions and the destinations of those held are secret, President Bush has confirmed the existence of CIA-run prisons throughout the world. Some of the subjects of renditions have been held in those prisons.

O'Connor also recommended that the government review the case of three other Muslim Canadian citizens, who were detained when they traveled through Syria, to determine what role Canadian authorities played in their imprisonment.

alfred98
09-20-2006, 10:34 AM
Rule no: 1...Boss is always right...if boss is wrong refer to rule no 1....
In this case the boss is USA gahment!!!:mad:

Anson F-Clef
09-20-2006, 10:36 AM
It's only logical, Doc Alf!Rule no: 1...Boss is always right...if boss is wrong refer to rule no 1....
In this case the boss is USA gahment!!!:mad:

SS2006
09-20-2006, 12:12 PM
And there US goes accusing other countries of human rights issues!

Dino
09-20-2006, 12:23 PM
And there US goes accusing other countries of human rights issues!

One difference......at least the press here go all out exposing the gomen here...

shiruikage
09-20-2006, 01:07 PM
One difference......at least the press here go all out exposing the gomen here...
do that in malaysia, and the paper can tutup kedai.

Dino
09-20-2006, 01:08 PM
do that in malaysia, and the paper can tutup kedai.

Yup....:(

Lava Gal
09-20-2006, 01:50 PM
do that in malaysia, and the paper can tutup kedai.
...under ISA or OSA

wat to do...cest la vie

Anson F-Clef
09-20-2006, 01:52 PM
Look what happened to Star in 1987 in conjunction with Ops Lalang.....

alfred98
09-20-2006, 02:40 PM
Pak Lah differents liao!!! Freedom of speed to the limits....Now....hot topic is policeman salary........rise rise!!!:rolleyes:

SS2006
09-20-2006, 05:24 PM
Pak Lah differents liao!!! Freedom of speed to the limits....Now....hot topic is policeman salary........rise rise!!!:rolleyes:
This pay rise i support, but only for the lower level police. Imagine the police officer with degree getting paid RM1050. Some police get as low as RM5xx, how to survive? Get kopi o money lorr...
All the money allocated to the top top brass...to buy branded uniform, luxury unmarked car, extravagant allowance...etc, etc...:mad:

Anson F-Clef
09-20-2006, 07:17 PM
This pay rise i support, but only for the lower level police. Imagine the police officer with degree getting paid RM1050. Some police get as low as RM5xx, how to survive? Get kopi o money lorr...
All the money allocated to the top top brass...to buy branded uniform, luxury unmarked car, extravagant allowance...etc, etc...:mad:

Hmmmm - what a profession - constables in SG I think are paid at least 3 kali more than Malaysian constables, am I right?

bizzi
09-21-2006, 01:10 PM
Hmmmm - what a profession - constables in SG I think are paid at least 3 kali more than Malaysian constables, am I right?

A staff sergeant in the Singapore Police Force earns about SG$2,400/mth

I think fresh junior police can earn about SG$1,400

even the auxillary police (CISCO aka Rent-A-Cop) can earn starting from SG$1,300.

Most police i know of, earns about at least SG$2,000 - SG$2,500

Simple theory... no poor police = no corrupt police

alfred98
09-21-2006, 01:57 PM
If this kind of salary in Malaysia...Then U will see alots of chinese lining up for interview lioa!!!:)

Anson F-Clef
09-21-2006, 05:18 PM
Jia Ni Roh (Kutien), Loctor Alf! Thumbzup!! If this kind of salary in Malaysia...Then U will see alots of chinese lining up for interview lioa!!!:)