Bird Flu in Klang Valley

[Voon Chan]

In Gombak, bird flu viruses were discovered.
In Setapak, bird flu viruses were also discovered.

I don't know what can be next.

Prevention is better than cure.

[CaLz]

where u get that info from?

[KoChun]

where u get that info from?
I heard something along the line over the radio this morning.

[Voon Chan]

Read our local newspaper & through radio this morning

[Zazu]

the star has the story on front page...
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/2/21/nation/13458109&sec=nation


and NST headlined the story too...

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/nst/Tuesday/Frontpage/20060221080052/Article/index_html

[cucuan]

In Gombak, bird flu viruses were discovered.
In Setapak, bird flu viruses were also discovered.

I don't know what can be next.

Prevention is better than cure.

VC, Setapak and Gombak same place-lah!

cucuan

[CaLz]

gombak and setapak is not the same right?
it's nearby.

[Voon Chan]

I thought that are nearby by area VC, Setapak and Gombak same place-lah!

cucuan

[jerrychoo2004]

oh god this is bad...share market will drop today >.<

[Dino]

Oh no.....:amazed:

[Fishingman]

oh god this is bad...share market will drop today >.<
Yesterday alreadi started dropping-laa. Especially those in poultry farming.:crying:

[alfred98]

Ok! No need to panic yet!!! The bird flu H5N1 virus still containable virus...The transmission via close contact or direct contact with poultry...live one leh...
So far the reported case transmission thru this, ther is no air born disease from poultry to human or human to human transmission yet...That is the main worried for the health department..But they think this way of transmission will occurs and will cuase million or billion to be affected...So prevention is the best way...:)

[WitchKing]

.....time to go BEEF.

[song cm]

Ok! No need to panic yet!!! The bird flu H5N1 virus still containable virus...The transmission via close contact or direct contact with poultry...live one leh...
So far the reported case transmission thru this, ther is no air born disease from poultry to human or human to human transmission yet...That is the main worried for the health department..But they think this way of transmission will occurs and will cuase million or billion to be affected...So prevention is the best way...:)

doctor, is tamiflu 100% effective?

[SS2006]

doctor, is tamiflu 100% effective?
Tamiflu is for common flu, not for bird flu.

[Fishingman]

doctor, is tamiflu 100% effective?
Loktor, can still get tamiflu ah? Got stock or not?

[Fishingman]

.....time to go BEEF.
What about mad cow -leh? Eat bull onli is it?:laugh:

[SS2006]

The price of chicken and egg in S'pore will sure go up.
Only egg imported from Australia or Europe can come in.

[alfred98]

doctor, is tamiflu 100% effective?
Dono!!! Tamiflu supposed to come liao but batang hidup pun tak nampak!!!

[song cm]

Tamiflu is for common flu, not for bird flu.

u sure? i think its for bird flu larr....not cheap u know, i got mine for RM120

[athena]

u sure? i think its for bird flu larr....not cheap u know, i got mine for RM120
haha...i think Tamiflu is for flu not bird flu....

[song cm]

haha...i think Tamiflu is for flu not bird flu....
tamiflu is suppose to be for all types of flu....bird flu included...the prob is i dunno wat is the success rate.....

[alfred98]

u sure? i think its for bird flu larr....not cheap u know, i got mine for RM120
Wa lau yeh!!! Song you got Tamilflu liao...Keng leh...Me not even see one lor...:laugh:

[alfred98]

haha...i think Tamiflu is for flu not bird flu....
Oh!! Is for Tamilian Flu hahahahahaha:laugh:

[song cm]

Wa lau yeh!!! Song you got Tamilflu liao...Keng leh...Me not even see one lor...:laugh:

i got 3 but have to give 2 away.......so, ordered another 2 but nowhere to be seen :(

[SS2006]

i got 3 but have to give 2 away.......so, ordered another 2 but nowhere to be seen :(
Huh? You order Tamiflu yourself? I thought you are supposed to get the jab fron your GP?
As far as I understand, Tamiflu for common flu...bird flu no vaccine so far.
If you have Tamiflu, you are not vulnerable to common flu anymore...and if you still get flu, then it is likely to be birdflu...so the doctor will go straight to test you out for bird flu diagnosis and treatment instead of wasting time trying to determine whether its common flu or not. Doctor Zazu and Doc Alfred, please clarify.

[Voon Chan]

Amaran: Dari Kementerian Kesihatan Malaysia

Jangan main burung
Jangan cium burung
Jangan hisap burung

Nanti burung ini akan muntah!
Awak akan muntah:laugh:

[song cm]

Huh? You order Tamiflu yourself? I thought you are supposed to get the jab fron your GP?
As far as I understand, Tamiflu for common flu...bird flu no vaccine so far.
If you have Tamiflu, you are not vulnerable to common flu anymore...and if you still get flu, then it is likely to be birdflu...so the doctor will go straight to test you out for bird flu diagnosis and treatment instead of wasting time trying to determine whether its common flu or not. Doctor Zazu and Doc Alfred, please clarify.
tamiflu not vaccine larr but its anti-viral....can only be taken once infected.....it is supposely the best treatment for bird flu 2.....dats wat i heard....anyway, i ordered thru my wife's dr uncle...its not jab, to be taken orally....

[alfred98]

i got 3 but have to give 2 away.......so, ordered another 2 but nowhere to be seen :(
Actually no need to buy leh..Dono effective during epidemic time or not and maybe by the time the epidermic really comes then the drugs expired liao...Better buy more health insurans then this leh....:cool:

[alfred98]

Amaran: Dari Kementerian Kesihatan Malaysia

Jangan main burung
Jangan cium burung
Jangan hisap burung

Nanti burung ini akan muntah!
Awak akan muntah:laugh:
Hahahhahah LOL!!!!
Nanti burung terbang lor....:laugh:

[song cm]

Actually no need to buy leh..Dono effective during epidemic time or not and maybe by the time the epidermic really comes then the drugs expired liao...Better buy more health insurans then this leh....:cool:
its ok doc....better safe than sorry........

(hey, once it reaches 3 mths to expiry, can re-sell u or not??)

[alfred98]

Huh? You order Tamiflu yourself? I thought you are supposed to get the jab fron your GP?
As far as I understand, Tamiflu for common flu...bird flu no vaccine so far.
If you have Tamiflu, you are not vulnerable to common flu anymore...and if you still get flu, then it is likely to be birdflu...so the doctor will go straight to test you out for bird flu diagnosis and treatment instead of wasting time trying to determine whether its common flu or not. Doctor Zazu and Doc Alfred, please clarify.
Tamilfu is a antiviral drug comes in Tablets form...For Flu vaccine jab there is northen and southern strain of vaccine...Some report said it can help if bird flu occurs but dono leh effective or not..If so worried then go for this flu vaccine jab or I think now still southern strain leh....For the bird flu currently no vaccine being produced because of high mutation rate for the virus..They are waiting for the actual infection to occurs then onli vaccine can be made..There is no epidemic occuring lah..So normal flu stil we treat as normal lor, unless with sign and symtoms of lung involvement...then onli we suspect bird flu....:)

[alfred98]

its ok doc....better safe than sorry........

(hey, once it reaches 3 mths to expiry, can re-sell u or not??)
Hei! Too late lioa...Money down the monsoon drain liao...:laugh:

[song cm]

Tamilfu is a antiviral drug comes in Tablets form...For Flu vaccine jab there is northen and southern strain of vaccine...Some report said it can help if bird flu occurs but dono leh effective or not..If so worried then go for this flu vaccine jab or I think now still southern strain leh....For the bird flu currently no vaccine being produced because of high mutation rate for the virus..They are waiting for the actual infection to occurs then onli vaccine can be made..There is no epidemic occuring lah..So normal flu stil we treat as normal lor, unless with sign and symtoms of lung involvement...then onli we suspect bird flu....:)

but doc....the RM5million question is wat is the best treatment for bird flu? Wat is the mortality rate??

[SS2006]

tamiflu not vaccine larr but its anti-viral....can only be taken once infected.....it is supposely the best treatment for bird flu 2.....dats wat i heard....anyway, i ordered thru my wife's dr uncle...its not jab, to be taken orally....
Sorry Song...you are right...Tamiflu is an anti-viral for common flu, i got confused with the flu vaccine.
It is a treatment to inhibit tthe growth of influenza virus once you get infected, but no proven for birdflu. See the link.
http://www.tamiflu.com/

[song cm]

Hei! Too late lioa...Money down the monsoon drain liao...:laugh:

:laugh:...mebbe...but I will feel safer to have it....:)

[alfred98]

but doc....the RM5million question is wat is the best treatment for bird flu? Wat is the mortality rate??
Ehhhhhhh! Stay away from the chicken!!!!!:unsure:
Dono leh!!!!
Mortality rate at 75% hei!!!!That's why they scientis are worried...very high mortality lor...

[song cm]

Sorry Song...you are right...Tamiflu is an anti-viral for common flu, i got confused with the flu vaccine.
It is a treatment to inhibit tthe growth of influenza virus once you get infected, but no proven for birdflu. See the link.
http://www.tamiflu.com/

aiseh...no need sorry one larr....:)
yeah....no proven test...but hopefully its of use.....:)

[song cm]

Ehhhhhhh! Stay away from the chicken!!!!!:unsure:
Dono leh!!!!
Mortality rate at 75% hei!!!!That's why they scientis are worried...very high mortality lor...
dem....75% ok....no playin with chicken liao....

[SS2006]

dem....75% ok....no playin with chicken liao....
Penang very near Thailand horr...Thai chicken higher risk:p

[song cm]

Penang very near Thailand horr...Thai chicken higher risk:p

dat one wear gloves before touching them lorr....then risk is significantly reduced.....

[Voon Chan]

Sudah kena SElsema burung, susah nak terbang:laugh: Hahahhahah LOL!!!!
Nanti burung terbang lor....:laugh:

[Voon Chan]

Better not play with chicken. Very dangerousdem....75% ok....no playin with chicken liao....

[SS2006]

dat one wear gloves before touching them lorr....then risk is significantly reduced.....
The virus is airborn worr...how?

[song cm]

Better not play with chicken. Very dangerous
so, which one is more dangerous? chicken or bird?? :confused:

The virus is airborn worr...how?

which virus are u toking abt?? :laugh: :eek:

[Voon Chan]

Both:laugh: so, which one is more dangerous? chicken or bird?? :confused:

[SS2006]

so, which one is more dangerous? chicken or bird?? :confused:



which virus are u toking abt?? :laugh: :eek:

Bird flu virus larr...err....what virus are you talking about, Song?:confused:

[song cm]

Bird flu virus larr...err....what virus are you talking about, Song?:confused:

the one given by Thai Chicks....:laugh:

[Voon Chan]

Serong, Song sudah fikir serong:laugh: Bird flu virus larr...err....what virus are you talking about, Song?:confused:

[song cm]

Serong, Song sudah fikir serong:laugh:
pot callin kettle black...:p

[SS2006]

the one given by Thai Chicks....:laugh:
That one Tamiflu no help.
Serong, Song sudah fikir serong:laugh:
As usual:rolleyes:

[Voon Chan]

:laugh: , kettle more black than the pot mah:laugh: pot callin kettle black...:p

[song cm]

That one Tamiflu no help.

As usual:rolleyes:

dat one can use "glove" mah....

[Fishingman]

dat one can use "glove" mah....
That virus so small I think can pass through the 'glove' also-leh some people say. Best protection is still to not play with chickens.:squeeze:

[Alkapocino]

oh god this is bad...share market will drop today >.<
You're right thus far. Current reading of KLCI 924.3 down 0.85pts (0.09%)

[Oddfather]

You're right thus far. Current reading of KLCI 924.3 down 0.85pts (0.09%)
Thats not too bad. Wonder what will it be at closing??

[Alkapocino]

Thats not too bad. Wonder what will it be at closing??
I say it will close 1pt up! Hehehehe.....

But the case in Gombak is an isolated case. Hope it will be contained. :unsure:

[Fishingman]

I say it will close 1pt up! Hehehehe.....

But the case in Gombak is an isolated case. Hope it will be contained. :unsure:
Hope so too! If not tarak ayam to makan-laa. KFC also gonna become kentucky fried cow alreadi.

[Oddfather]

Hope so too! If not tarak ayam to makan-laa. KFC also gonna become kentucky fried cow alreadi.
you can always fry Alka's cow (avatar):p

[Fishingman]

you can always fry Alka's cow (avatar):p
Tat one jantan punya-lah, meat very hard alreadi. Gigit gigi pun patah.:cheesy: :squeeze:

[andrewjpan]

dem....75% ok....no playin with chicken liao....
my office near jln alor and imbi... got alot of chikens here... i never play with them... but got walk by lor... can get infected wan ah?

[TK Ho]

my office near jln alor and imbi... got alot of chikens here... i never play with them... but got walk by lor... can get infected wan ah?

Dey andrewjpan, what kind of chickens?:wacko: Use protection-lor:laugh:

[andrewjpan]

That virus so small I think can pass through the 'glove' also-leh some people say. Best protection is still to not play with chickens.:squeeze:
protection also no use... like fishingman said...

[TK Ho]

protection also no use... like fishingman said...

True true prevention is better than cure. :D

[Hammerhead]

The virus is airborn worr...how?
As far as I know, it is not airborne....as along as you don't play with chicken sh*t, it should be okay. Also, the people who had it were usually living with the chickens in close proximity. As far as Sitiawan is concerned, all the swallows' bungalows are a bad idea. Migratory birds can spread the virus.:sad-2:

[TK Ho]

As far as I know, it is not airborne....as along as you don't play with chicken sh*t, it should be okay. Also, the people who had it were usually living with the chickens in close proximity. As far as Sitiawan is concerned, all the swallows' bungalows are a bad idea. Migratory birds can spread the virus.:sad-2:

Can I ask what are those swallows' bungalows?

[Dino]

As far as I know, it is not airborne....as along as you don't play with chicken sh*t, it should be okay. Also, the people who had it were usually living with the chickens in close proximity. As far as Sitiawan is concerned, all the swallows' bungalows are a bad idea. Migratory birds can spread the virus.:sad-2:

Yup....greed over shadows things like these. I think these people always think such things can never happen to them.

TK Ho....they are converting buildings so that the swallow birds can breed in them and these people go and collect birds nests from them lor. Disgusts me in a way that the authorities let this happen.:mad:

[TK Ho]

Yup....greed over shadows things like these. I think these people always think such things can never happen to them.

TK Ho....they are converting buildings so that the swallow birds can breed in them and these people go and collect birds nests from them lor. Disgusts me in a way that the authorities let this happen.:mad:

Wah, like this oso can-ah? Pity the neighbours-lah. Have to deal with all the bird shits.:mad:

Can the neighbours complain on the health grounds? Birds droppings can transmit diseases, eg meningitis, etc.

[Dino]

Wah, like this oso can-ah? Pity the neighbours-lah. Have to deal with all the bird shits.:mad:

Can the neighbours complain on the health grounds? Birds droppings can transmit diseases, eg meningitis, etc.

I think these "businessman" gave moolah to the officials liao.....:unsure:

[TK Ho]

I think these "businessman" gave moolah to the officials liao.....:unsure:
Dino, whát's moolah? Please excuse my lack of vocabularies.

[Dino]

Dino, whát's moolah? Please excuse my lack of vocabularies.

$$

[TK Ho]

$$

Ah, I see. RM RM RM RM RM..... I thought moolah, as in mullah or something similar, ie someone who is religious.

[Dino]

Ah, I see. RM RM RM RM RM..... I thought moolah, as in mullah or something similar, ie someone who is religious.

Sounds like that eh....:laugh:

[LiLiaN]

unfortunately this is going to be bad with the bird flu and all... :(

[Hammerhead]

TK Ho....they are converting buildings so that the swallow birds can breed in them and these people go and collect birds nests from them lor. Disgusts me in a way that the authorities let this happen.:mad:[/QUOTE]

Not only converting buildings; I have seen 3-4 stories purpose-built bungalows with holes for the birds to fly in. Some more they have installed air-cond for the bird.......like 5 star hotel!

[alfred98]

Swallow bird spread bird flu??? Must be lah theoritically....Like that CTA1 properties market will have a free fall leh.....For the bird keeper, they don't give a damn what the neighbour think or hear leh...As long as their pocket is full that's all...The local council pulak, one bloody day light pirate like but this one wear uniform one...They onli know what is called money other then that is not their bussiness...Compliant also no action, maybe to show off that someone not happy with the sound, they reduced the noise abit but next day louder somemore....I was hoping this bird flu get to the swallow bird so that, the council realies this thing can occurs....

[Dino]

Swallow bird spread bird flu??? Must be lah theoritically....Like that CTA1 properties market will have a free fall leh.....For the bird keeper, they don't give a damn what the neighbour think or hear leh...As long as their pocket is full that's all...The local council pulak, one bloody day light pirate like but this one wear uniform one...They onli know what is called money other then that is not their bussiness...Compliant also no action, maybe to show off that someone not happy with the sound, they reduced the noise abit but next day louder somemore....I was hoping this bird flu get to the swallow bird so that, the council realies this thing can occurs....

Get ready lawyer to sue their arse off Alfred!!!

[alfred98]

TK Ho....they are converting buildings so that the swallow birds can breed in them and these people go and collect birds nests from them lor. Disgusts me in a way that the authorities let this happen.:mad:

Not only converting buildings; I have seen 3-4 stories purpose-built bungalows with holes for the birds to fly in. Some more they have installed air-cond for the bird.......like 5 star hotel![/QUOTE]
Actually is their properties, so we cannot comment lor, but is a noise polution leh, imagine this stupid owner will on the sound 24-7 every day every minutes...no sleep one ok....Is distrubing my sleep...along my clinic there is now 3 shop converted to this, one of then on music like no body bussiness, I go and compliant they said U stay so far away why U compliant??? The direct behind house never even said anything....Ehhh!! I think they are deaf lah..so loud lehh...:mad:

[Oddfather]

Just last week, someone fell to his death in Swan collecting birdnests. Apparently he the owner of a chinese medical hall in Kg Koh.

[alfred98]

Get ready lawyer to sue their arse off Alfred!!!
Ehhhhhh! Lawyer also one of the owner of the shops in CTA1.....:laugh:

[Hammerhead]

Just last week, someone fell to his death in Swan collecting birdnests. Apparently he the owner of a chinese medical hall in Kg Koh.
Did the "bird flew" distract him?

[alfred98]

Just last week, someone fell to his death in Swan collecting birdnests. Apparently he the owner of a chinese medical hall in Kg Koh.
Oh! Wah! So dangerous one meh!!! Must be very Kiam Siap fellow..Usually they employed Indonesian fellow to collect mah...Or maybe onli a few nest lor, collect then self lor....

[Oddfather]

Did the "bird flew" distract him?
apparently, it was so dark inside he missed his steps. Fell from the 3rd floor. He din come back after dark and family went looking for him. Broke his head.

[SS2006]

Psst...the bird is called swiftlet, not swallow.
Only swiftlet make edible nest with their saliva, same species as the Sarawak type.
Swallow build nest on old shops ceiling, using mud...nest not edible.
France and Germany also have the bird flu liao...they found dead duck with H5N1(issit correct no?) virus there.

[Hammerhead]

[QUOTE=shirlene]Psst...the bird is called swiftlet, not swallow.
Only swiftlet make edible nest with their saliva, same species as the Sarawak type.
Swallow build nest on old shops ceiling, using mud...nest not edible.
aiya! add a bit of sugar...everything also taste the same..don't be so fussy

[Oddfather]

Psst...the bird is called swiftlet, not swallow.
Only swiftlet make edible nest with their saliva, same species as the Sarawak type.
Swallow build nest on old shops ceiling, using mud...nest not edible.
I see, I see, I see....a bird.
No, Its its a swallow......
No, no, no,...its a swiflet..!!!

good one shirlene, couldn't resist your technicality,cheers

[alfred98]

Ok now for bird flu thing....There is flu vaccine called Vaxigrip for common flu...This some expert said can some how give some protection from the bird flu...The basic is almost same for influenza virus and others...Usually we recomemed for the fellow who travel to the affected region...And now malaysia after so many years of denial of the bird flu suddenly anounced we are having bird flu.....Malaysia Boleh!!! The vaccine give protection for 1 year after 1 jab damage around 120/jab....while stock last....:p

[athena]

shirlene...

both swiftlets and swallows' nest are edible. It is just different grade la!!

[alfred98]

I see, I see, I see....a bird.
No, Its its a swallow......
No, no, no,...its a swiflet..!!!

good one shirlene, couldn't resist your technicality,cheers
No nO Is a Super women!!!!
Ok Ok!!! swiflet lah swalow give chau nuor one....:laugh:

[Oddfather]

Ok now for bird flu thing....There is flu vaccine called Vaxigrip for common flu...This some expert said can some how give some protection from the bird flu...The basic is almost same for influenza virus and others...Usually we recomemed for the fellow who travel to the affected region...And now malaysia after so many years of denial of the bird flu suddenly anounced we are having bird flu.....Malaysia Boleh!!! The vaccine give protection for 1 year after 1 jab damage around 120/jab....while stock last....:p
got guarantee or not!!

[Voon Chan]

I think the biggest problem at the moment is the mutation of the virus. It has developed in to a more complex virus

[alfred98]

got guarantee or not!!
U all so kiasi, some more asked for guarantee....Sure no one lor...Ehhhhhh!! Me also kiasi leh taken my lioa.......:laugh: :laugh:

[Oddfather]

U all so kiasi, some more asked for guarantee....Sure no one lor...Ehhhhhh!! Me also kiasi leh taken my lioa.......:laugh: :laugh:
do you think I need 2 doses???:sick:

[Hammerhead]

Scientist in US have genetically engineered a vaccine and successfully tested it in mice. It is manufactured by a genetically engineered adenovirus, and not prepared from virus grown in eggs as in conventional vaccine (as eggs would be in shortage in bird flu outbreak.) They have injected the mice with H5N1 viruses isolated from sick human. Wah-lah! No problem in mice. Not sure yet whether it will work in human.

[alfred98]

do you think I need 2 doses???:sick:
Ehhhh!! No need but the needle need big one 14G one leh...For gajah!!!!:laugh: :laugh:

[Oddfather]

Ehhhh!! No need but the needle need big one 14G one leh...For gajah!!!!:laugh: :laugh:
hey, i am smaller than you ler.....:p
so no need so big needle laaa....

[alfred98]

hey, i am smaller than you ler.....:p
so no need so big needle laaa....
Then why U ask lor....:cool:

[Voon Chan]

I was watching TV3 news yesterday.
TV3 interviewed some people in the Kampung.
The people in that Kampung claimed that for the past 2 weeks many chicken died without reason. The chicken look tired, after that it will just die.

What surprised me is that the kampung people got no clue as to "bird flu".

[Fishingman]

I was watching TV3 news yesterday.
TV3 interviewed some people in the Kampung.
The people in that Kampung claimed that for the past 2 weeks many chicken died without reason. The chicken look tired, after that it will just die.

What surprised me is that the kampung people got no clue as to "bird flu".
About 3 months back, all the pegions around my place simply dissappeared. I tot kena B flu alreadi so I also takut, but now they're back in force. Dunno where they went that time, go kau loi qua.

[Voon Chan]

Got any baby pigeon or not?:laugh: About 3 months back, all the pegions around my place simply dissappeared. I tot kena B flu alreadi so I also takut, but now they're back in force. Dunno where they went that time, go kau loi qua.

[Fishingman]

Got any baby pigeon or not?:laugh:
Dunno-leh, they like to nest in the roof-lah, cannot climb up.

[Voon Chan]

Your place so romanticlah, even the pigeon mate there:laugh: Dunno-leh, they like to nest in the roof-lah, cannot climb up.

[Fishingman]

Your place so romanticlah, even the pigeon mate there:laugh:
Got people feed they sure like-lah. Not me feeding them-lah, me wanna kill all of them if possible and make roast pigeon.:p

[Voon Chan]

Don't eat those pigeon. You got no idea what type of diseases you will contract from the pigeons

[Fishingman]

Don't eat those pigeon. You got no idea what type of diseases you will contract from the pigeons
Joking nia, I just want to get rid of them. One of my neighbours actually trapped quite a few of them and release them far away. Dunno if they found their way back or not. I know they might carry deseases that is the main reason i wanna get rid of them.

[Voon Chan]

Maybe you can start chasing them away like Song CM

[SS2006]

I was watching TV3 news yesterday.
TV3 interviewed some people in the Kampung.
The people in that Kampung claimed that for the past 2 weeks many chicken died without reason. The chicken look tired, after that it will just die.

What surprised me is that the kampung people got no clue as to "bird flu".
I'm surprised that you are surprised. Not enough information was given to educate the public maa...That's always the M'sian tactic....let the citizen to be the last to know anything. People ignorant, gomen can pretend nothing is happening. If the news go ard exposing everything, then the person will be accused of raising false alarm. Ignorance is bliss, maa...Nobody died yet...nothing to be concerned about. Even if any die, you still cannot conclude it's from birdflu.

[alfred98]

I'm surprised that you are surprised. Not enough information was given to educate the public maa...That's always the M'sian tactic....let the citizen to be the last to know anything. People ignorant, gomen can pretend nothing is happening. If the news go ard exposing everything, then the person will be accused of raising false alarm. Ignorance is bliss, maa...Nobody died yet...nothing to be concerned about. Even if any die, you still cannot conclude it's from birdflu.
Hahahha!! Bolehland they are so used to that tactic leh...But Pak Lah abit transparent liao. That's why we suddenly got bird flu leh...Remember the SARS thing few years back where bloehland got case lor...Mati just keep quiet lor...After ISA come how lah....:unsure:

[LiLiaN]

shirlene, you're right there's strain H5N1 in germany and france now...
but i do wonder if the situation can be overly dramatic...
i know the implications etc behind this dangerous and mutating strain...

but at the same time, how do we know if this is not something common in birds..?
afterall, prior to this, no one really test for every wild bird found dead in ponds etc...
now though, they're suspicious of even pigeon that was found dead on the road...

another thing to consider if this virus is highly mutated at accelerated rate...
then it'll be akin to HIV and i do doubt the availability of effective vaccine...
afterall, if after all these years there's still no solution to HIV...
do you believe that it'll be so quickly that they've found a solution against bird flu..?

just some thoughts...

[alfred98]

shirlene, you're right there's strain H5N1 in germany and france now...
but i do wonder if the situation can be overly dramatic...
i know the implications etc behind this dangerous and mutating strain...

but at the same time, how do we know if this is not something common in birds..?
afterall, prior to this, no one really test for every wild bird found dead in ponds etc...
now though, they're suspicious of even pigeon that was found dead on the road...

another thing to consider if this virus is highly mutated at accelerated rate...
then it'll be akin to HIV and i do doubt the availability of effective vaccine...
afterall, if after all these years there's still no solution to HIV...
do you believe that it'll be so quickly that they've found a solution against bird flu..?

just some thoughts...

LiLian!! Hiv got treatment lioa..But not cure lor...Multiple drugs regime like cocktail help to prolong life till dono when lor now....

[LiLiaN]

LiLian!! Hiv got treatment lioa..But not cure lor...Multiple drugs regime like cocktail help to prolong life till dono when lor now....exactly my point, that's just adjunct, it's not really combating HIV per se...

[SS2006]

shirlene, you're right there's strain H5N1 in germany and france now...
but i do wonder if the situation can be overly dramatic...
i know the implications etc behind this dangerous and mutating strain...

but at the same time, how do we know if this is not something common in birds..?
afterall, prior to this, no one really test for every wild bird found dead in ponds etc...
now though, they're suspicious of even pigeon that was found dead on the road...

another thing to consider if this virus is highly mutated at accelerated rate...
then it'll be akin to HIV and i do doubt the availability of effective vaccine...
afterall, if after all these years there's still no solution to HIV...
do you believe that it'll be so quickly that they've found a solution against bird flu..?

just some thoughts...
Now the multi-million Q is whether this virus do transfer from bird to human or human to human.

[alfred98]

Now the multi-million Q is whether this virus do transfer from bird to human or human to human.
Bird to human is occuring liao...But the virus hasn't mutate to human to human yet, but soon lor....Is depends how careful we are preventing this bird to human transmission...Now the onli way is bird die lor.....mass murder leh....:(

[Oddfather]

I think they may already have a vaccine. But put under wrap coz nobody is willing to pay for it yet.

[Fishingman]

I think they may already have a vaccine. But put under wrap coz nobody is willing to pay for it yet.
How you know one?

[Oddfather]

How you know one?
I said..." I think they may..." nothing affirmative.
On the other hand, this world is not all that fair and just.

[alfred98]

I think they may already have a vaccine. But put under wrap coz nobody is willing to pay for it yet.
Bussiness mah no money no talk lor!!!:cool:

[Oddfather]

Bussiness mah no money no talk lor!!!:cool:
you are vely cleber man.

Recently, in China, the international community raised billions to fight this flu. The money would probably go to a Chinese company which already has the vaccine.

[alfred98]

you are vely cleber man.

Recently, in China, the international community raised billions to fight this flu. The money would probably go to a Chinese company which already has the vaccine.
The problem with china company selling vaccine hah, ang moh wouldn't believe leh...including me lah...Made in China medical product really sad lah....:o

[alfred98]

See this link about flu vaccination
http://kidshealth.org/parent/general/body/flu_vaccine.html

[Voon Chan]

Q: What is bird flu?
A: Avian influenza, or "bird flu" is a disease that usually infects only birds. The bird flu virus affecting poultry and some people in Asia is the H5N1 strain of the virus.
This form spreads rapidly through poultry, and can kill entire flocks. It began in poultry in Hong Kong in February 2003, and has affected birds in Asia and Europe. The virus involved is a variant associated with the 1997 Hong Kong outbreak.

Q: How does bird flu affect people?
A: People are rarely infected with bid flu viruses. So far, those infected with bird flu have had close direct contact with infected birds or their droppings. Other avian influenza viruses have caused mild conditions such as conjunctivitis (eye infection) and mild flu-like symptoms.
To date, most human cases have occurred in rural or semi-urban areas where households keep poultry in their yards or leave the birds to roam freely.
As of Feb 20, there had been 170 reported cases of people with H5N1 infection, in 32 countries in Asia, Europe and Africa. Ninety-two of these have been fatal.

Q: Is it safe to eat poultry and poultry products?
A: Yes, if properly handled during preparation and properly cooked. Avian influenza is not transmitted through cooked food. The H5N1 virus is sensitive to heat. Normal temperatures used for cooking (70°C) will kill the virus. Make sure all parts are fully cooked, with no "pink" parts. Make sure that eggs, too, are properly cooked with no "runny" yolks.
Those who prepare food should wash their hands thoroughly, and clean and disinfect
surfaces in contact with the poultry products. Soap and water are sufficient for this purpose.

Q: What should I do if there is an outbreak where I live?
A: The most important thing is to carefully and regularly wash your hands with soap and water. which helps prevent infection. Also avoid contact with birds, live or dead, wherever possible.

Source: NST, WHO, US Center for Disease Control, UK Health Dept

[Oddfather]

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b269/andrewhh/BirdFlu.jpg

[Voon Chan]

Hair also can turn green?

[KoChun]

Hahaha, bird flu victim. Muahahahaha... :laugh:

[alfred98]

Poor fellow!!!!:( :laugh:

[dontbullshit]

Two locations in Perak hit by avian flu

PETALING JAYA: The Veterinary Services Department has confirmed that there is an outbreak of H5N1 avian flu at Bukit Merah Laketown Resort's Ecopark and Kg Changkat Tualang in Perak.

Source: The Star 16th March 2006

[andrewjpan]

loctors of the forum... what's your advice on this to all of us here?

[dontbullshit]

Loctor, loctor,,you think LG air-conditioner can seive 99% of bird flu virus ahh.. heard that silly advert from radio and read the same from advert in newspaperlehh..

[andrewjpan]

Loctor, loctor,,you think LG air-conditioner can seive 99% of bird flu virus ahh.. heard that silly advert from radio and read the same from advert in newspaperlehh..
wah lau... really ah?

i use toshiba...

[Oddfather]

The virus decided to take a holiday and now in Bukit Merah.

[alfred98]

Poor Tanjung Tualang duck all mati leh....kena murdered!!!!:sad-2:

[Voon Chan]

It is a cruel way to kill the duck. Those guys put the ducks in the plastic alivePoor Tanjung Tualang duck all mati leh....kena murdered!!!!:sad-2:

[alfred98]

It is a cruel way to kill the duck. Those guys put the ducks in the plastic alive
Looks like the whole world being doing like this....No human right here meh????

[Voon Chan]

Bird's Right my friend!

This called for the job of SPCA!
I wonder if they will say anything?Looks like the whole world being doing like this....No human right here meh????

[alfred98]

Bird's Right my friend!

This called for the job of SPCA!
I wonder if they will say anything?
SPCA???? Wah sure or not??? Maybe that's the recommended way leh...Remmenber how they culled the pig last time...Buried alive lah....

[Voon Chan]

I think, we can consider birds as part of the animal kingdom.

As for the pigs, I don't know what to say.SPCA???? Wah sure or not??? Maybe that's the recommended way leh...Remmenber how they culled the pig last time...Buried alive lah....

[alfred98]

I think, we can consider birds as part of the animal kingdom.

As for the pigs, I don't know what to say.
Yah hor!!! Remember how I kill pigeon when small that time.....No me lah...my mum did that.....see her kill I don't eat the pigoen after that...

[Voon Chan]

I really hope that the goverment are not covering up the blid flu pandemic. The rakyat must have all the info regarding it

[siewjang]

One Way

For

Bird Flu

to Enter the country

is on

international flights.

don't get on an

airoplane

that looks like this





http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v308/siewjang/birdflu.gif

[Oddfather]

that looks like a game my son play on PS2 ler.....