Demoralised Managers

[Voon Chan]

There was a meeting in my office yesterday among the Directors & Managers. Most of the Managers are around late 40++.

Directors: F*%#, you people are so stupid & all of you should resigned. I asked for datas & infor, you cannot give me. Got production & no collection
(Everything was provided to them via e-mail but they never read their e-mail).

**complain about every thing they can**

Those Managers have done all the could. Due to resignation by employees, the whole work force shrunk by 1/3. I have to work closely with all the managers. Everyone is so demoralised. It is so difficult to get new staffs.

"Resignation" was written all over their faces. As the saying goes "Your bosses will not change to suit you, you must change to suit him".

I am speechless!

[KoChun]

This happens in a lot of places, VC. You are not alone.

[Voon Chan]

This happens in a lot of places, VC. You are not alone.I was very lucky this round. I was not on the firing line.
Almost everyone got the scolding

I wonder why such word Like "f*%# & stupid" need to be used?

[KoChun]

I was very lucky this round. I was not on the firing line.
Almost everyone got the scolding

I wonder why such word Like "f*%# & stupid" need to be used?
Some of the bosses may have high IQ, but very low EQ. That's the problem.

These bosses do not have my respect.

[Voon Chan]

Some of the bosses may have high IQ, but very low EQ. That's the problem.EQ problem, Other people suffer as a result of their low EQ.
By doing that, it will reflect badly on them

[KoChun]

EQ problem, Other people suffer as a result of their low EQ.
By doing that, it will reflect badly on them
Exactly, they are creating the problems but without realising it. That's the problem with some bosses, think they are smarter than the whole world. :(

[Voon Chan]

Exactly, they are creating the problems but without realising it. That's the problem with some bosses, think they are smarter than the whole world. :(In fact, most bosses will think that they are the best in the world.
At the moment, there is a whole lot of people with emotional stress in the office. People got no mood to work

[noname]

i think is quite common in workplace. we have to work to please our bosses.

like my company. get to know from my collegue. if want promotion, all you need to do is to please 2 of your bosses, A & B. then only u can promote. otherwise, work for 10 years, you still in the same position.

[Odysseus]

There are things that a boss should not say. However, employees must also be smart enough to work with their boss. Especially, managers should be able to help their boss to get things going. Work together.

Not reading their mails is a big sin especially if it comes from their boss.

[Fishingman]

They only care about their pocket and never take care of the staff. How to expect the staff to perform their best for you? Dumb @ss boss!
Same thing happening in my office. When someone resigns, he don't wanna hire new staff but pass the workload to others to 'swallow'. One day whole office gonna tender resignation together I tell you. Then he ownself do all the work-lah.

[Voon Chan]

There are things that a boss should not say. However, employees must also be smart enough to work with their boss. Especially, managers should be able to help their boss to get things going. Work together.

Not reading their mails is a big sin especially if it comes from their boss.Very true my friend.

He scolded me one day & asked me "Are you accusing me of not having the habit of reading my e-mails?"

[Fishingman]

In fact, most bosses will think that they are the best in the world.
At the moment, there is a whole lot of people with emotional stress in the office. People got no mood to work

My office manager and staff all fed up with the boss already. Gonna boil over soon I think. :mad:

[WitchKing]

I was very lucky this round. I was not on the firing line.
Almost everyone got the scolding

I wonder why such word Like "f*%# & stupid" need to be used?

I think the long periods without the aircon in yr ofis is causing them to aso lose their cool. And i am not joking around with that statement......FIX THE AIRCON OLEDI WILLYAH?!

[Voon Chan]

I think the long periods without the aircon in yr ofis is causing them to aso lose their cool. And i am not joking around with that statement......Naz, they have individual unit in their room:mad:

[KoChun]

I think the long periods without the aircon in yr ofis is causing them to aso lose their cool. And i am not joking around with that statement......FIX THE AIRCON OLEDI WILLYAH?!
My office is too demmmmm cold. Maybe the staffs are hibernating, instead of working. :unsure:

[Voon Chan]

My office is too demmmmm cold. Maybe the staffs are hibernating, instead of working. :unsure:That is nice

[WitchKing]

My office is too demmmmm cold. Maybe the staffs are hibernating, instead of working. :unsure:

In my ofis, auditors and Risk Manager sit in the East Wing, Director, Finance and Corporate Planning in the West Wing, CP Manager always come over our wing and everytime he does, we'd go '...aircon too cold again over there, fella??'

He wan kind of demoralised, coz NO PLANNING WORK todo! SO he ends up getting lumped with an stupid projects leading to ubiquitious titles like 'Corporate Planning Manager...for Lawn Bowl tournament'

....thats demoralisation for ya!

[funkmeister]

VoonC quote: Directors: F*%#, you people are so stupid & all of you should resigned.

Hehe.. Feels as if one of those meeting with my now ex-director. He used to say all the profanity in meetings as well. These sort of ppl treat others like dogs, how to get respect.

[Voon Chan]

VoonC quote: Directors: F*%#, you people are so stupid & all of you should resigned.

Hehe.. Feels as if one of those meeting with my now ex-director. He used to say all the profanity in meetings as well. These sort of ppl treat others like dogs, how to get respect.FM, very true.
They must learn to respect others & earn the respect from people
Most employee are afraid of them, not respect

[Odysseus]

In my ofis, auditors and Risk Manager sit in the East Wing, Director, Finance and Corporate Planning in the West Wing, CP Manager always come over our wing and everytime he does, we'd go '...aircon too cold again over there, fella??'

He wan kind of demoralised, coz NO PLANNING WORK todo! SO he ends up getting lumped with an stupid projects leading to ubiquitious titles like 'Corporate Planning Manager...for Lawn Bowl tournament'

....thats demoralisation for ya!
At least he gets to keep his job :) You work in a nice company la.... Juz make sure that sort of title doesnt fall on to your lap on day :p

[Oddfather]

My office is too demmmmm cold. Maybe the staffs are hibernating, instead of working. :unsure:

Kochun, I dun won't where you work and what your company does, but it sounds like your office have a lot of computer and thus all the aircond to prevent the computers from getting heated up.

I know of a computer company in PJ whose boss stored all his red wine in the server room.

[Oddfather]

VC, there are 2 sides to a coin.

Firstly, the global marketplace is moving at a very fast pace. Bosses are also under pressure to act and react very quickly to changing world. There4, they depends very much on their staffs to follow their pace very closely. Having said that, bosses would have to understand that staffs are also human. They have to be handle with gentleness and care.

To understand your bosses, imagine that you are the boss, what are your expectations of your staffs? Chances are you want them to understand you and follows your pace closely so that things get done in the quickest way.

Remember this, problems happen to you is only 10%, 90% is how you react to it. To advance in life, soar like an eagle and you will have better perspective of life. Problems in life are only small potholes in the lifetime journey, and a small blimp on the radar screen.

So, stay cool, hang loose, things will work out well.

[Voon Chan]

Andrew, thank for your view.
Those problems are really not mine at the moment

I really see the unreasonableness in my bosses expectation
They will scold before finding out or investigate
People around him really suffer.

[SS2006]

Andrew, thank for your view.
Those problems are really not mine at the moment

I really see the unreasonableness in my bosses expectation
They will scold before finding out or investigate
People around him really suffer.
Unreasonable bosses are never happy people. They are creating all unnecessary stress for themselves and for other people. Since you cannot change their attitude, why bother yourself with their crude comments?
On the other hand, you can make life easier for people under you by being a good boss yourself. Only then will the cycle will change and the work culture will improve in your workplace.
(Just curious, it's a local management company, rite?)

[Voon Chan]

Unreasonable bosses are never happy people. They are creating all unnecessary stress for themselves and for other people. Since you cannot change their attitude, why bother yourself with their crude comments?
On the other hand, you can make life easier for people under you by being a good boss yourself. Only then will the cycle will change and the work culture will improve in your workplace.
(Just curious, it's a local management company, rite?)international company, local management

[KoChun]

Kochun, I dun won't where you work and what your company does, but it sounds like your office have a lot of computer and thus all the aircond to prevent the computers from getting heated up.

I know of a computer company in PJ whose boss stored all his red wine in the server room.
That's not the place I work, definitely. :cheesy:

Well, my company does have a lot of computers, you are right.

[WitchKing]

At least he gets to keep his job :) You work in a nice company la.... Juz make sure that sort of title doesnt fall on to your lap on day :p

With his kind of salary, heck I'll make everyday a Lawn Bowl Appreciation day!

[Fulat]

Some CEO of some some company once said,

"work hard for the company, but dont love the company. Coz, u'll never know when the company will stop lovin you."

[Alkapocino]

VC, there are 2 sides to a coin.

Firstly, the global marketplace is moving at a very fast pace. Bosses are also under pressure to act and react very quickly to changing world. There4, they depends very much on their staffs to follow their pace very closely. Having said that, bosses would have to understand that staffs are also human. They have to be handle with gentleness and care.

To understand your bosses, imagine that you are the boss, what are your expectations of your staffs? Chances are you want them to understand you and follows your pace closely so that things get done in the quickest way.

Remember this, problems happen to you is only 10%, 90% is how you react to it. To advance in life, soar like an eagle and you will have better perspective of life. Problems in life are only small potholes in the lifetime journey, and a small blimp on the radar screen.

So, stay cool, hang loose, things will work out well.
There you go....TRUE BOSS has spoken. Salute you SIR!

[Lava Gal]

Unreasonable bosses are never happy people. They are creating all unnecessary stress for themselves and for other people. Since you cannot change their attitude, why bother yourself with their crude comments?On the other hand, you can make life easier for people under you by being a good boss yourself. Only then will the cycle will change and the work culture will improve in your workplace.(Just curious, it's a local management company, rite?)
AGREED on the bolded part(s)!
Only unhappy people are sick & sadistic enuff to torture others...

[LiLiaN]

good thing in lab organisations, there are very little management to staff layer per se...
i have only one supervising postdoc, and then my boss (the P.I.)....
get on superbly with my postdoc, and my boss is very easy going... :)

[Oddfather]

Some CEO of some some company once said,

"work hard for the company, but dont love the company. Coz, u'll never know when the company will stop lovin you."

I beg to differ. The company are made out of ppl like you and me. If we all work hard and luv the company, we are actually the company. How can the company stop lovin you unless you stop luvin yourself.

[suliet]

Andrew, thank for your view.
Those problems are really not mine at the moment

I really see the unreasonableness in my bosses expectation
They will scold before finding out or investigate
People around him really suffer.
VC, he doesn't have a secretary to update him on what's happening, meh? I agree with Andrew's view. Being a boss is not that easy especially in manufacturing. Try to understand his position and you will work and feel better. If you have grudges on the boss and company, forever you are not going to be happy. "Ask not what the company can do for you but ask what you can do for the company" this is always my motto. I'm sure any boss is not blind they are able to see who is performing and who's not. If he really can't see, then its time to 'wong fei hung' for the company cos he'll be lossing all the good workers.

[WitchKing]

VC, he doesn't have a secretary to update him on what's happening, meh? I agree with Andrew's view. Being a boss is not that easy especially in manufacturing. Try to understand his position and you will work and feel better. If you have grudges on the boss and company, forever you are not going to be happy. "Ask not what the company can do for you but ask what you can do for the company" this is always my motto. I'm sure any boss is not blind they are able to see who is performing and who's not. If he really can't see, then its time to 'wong fei hung' for the company cos he'll be lossing all the good workers.

I'm afraid that VC and his fellow managers disenchantment with the bosses has become soo prevalent that it has also spread to his means of communication...dia punyer ofis streamyx soo demoralised now and has refused to work. :blink:

[suliet]

Some CEO of some some company once said,

"work hard for the company, but dont love the company. Coz, u'll never know when the company will stop lovin you."
If you don't love the company you are not going to put all your effort in the company. Hence, the company will 'chap lap' because all the workers there don't put effort but want their monthly gaji only. Not fair isn't it?

[Lava Gal]

i think it isnt onli about fairness, suliet.
hmmm...if u dont love ur company, memang u wont give it ur all...and when u dont express full talent and potentials, will u be realli happy??
doing work however hardworkingly, if there is a lack of "team-spirit" i dont think u will experience real inner-joy...so if u dont love ur company, u are paving way to make urself miserable. just my 2kupang.

[Oddfather]

i think it isnt onli about fairness, suliet.
hmmm...if u dont love ur company, memang u wont give it ur all...and when u dont express full talent and potentials, will u be realli happy??
doing work however hardworkingly, if there is a lack of "team-spirit" i dont think u will experience real inner-joy...so if u dont love ur company, u are paving way to make urself miserable. just my 2kupang.

Care to define Team-spirit?

[suliet]

I'm afraid that VC and his fellow managers disenchantment with the bosses has become soo prevalent that it has also spread to his means of communication...dia punyer ofis streamyx soo demoralised now and has refused to work. :blink:
Oh ya kah? Or company not doing very well jadi streamyx sudah kena potong?

[Lava Gal]

I'm afraid that VC and his fellow managers disenchantment with the bosses has become soo prevalent that it has also spread to his means of communication...dia punyer ofis streamyx soo demoralised now and has refused to work. :blink:
i think...that's a message for VC & colleagues that they r spending too much time "not working" coz of streamyx...so with streamyx not working...hopefully they can get some non-online real-work done! :cheesy:

[WitchKing]

Oh ya kah? Or company not doing very well jadi streamyx sudah kena potong?

Itu kena tanya dia sendiri-lah. But If I was the streamyx line, dah lama I meletup marah sebab aircon sampai sekarang tak fix-fix lagi, itu macam punyer panas and stuffy anybody aso would have a short fuse.

[suliet]

i think it isnt onli about fairness, suliet.
hmmm...if u dont love ur company, memang u wont give it ur all...and when u dont express full talent and potentials, will u be realli happy??
doing work however hardworkingly, if there is a lack of "team-spirit" i dont think u will experience real inner-joy...so if u dont love ur company, u are paving way to make urself miserable. just my 2kupang.
Yeah I agree with you but what I'm trying so say is if you are not going to work whole heartedly for company, don't waste their time and position by taking gaji and not contributing to the company. There may be someone else who is more suitable for the position. So always find the job that you like and not just for sake of getting a job. I'm also in the management and I know how it feels when you have staffs who are not performing.

[JC]

I beg to differ. The company are made out of ppl like you and me. If we all work hard and luv the company, we are actually the company. How can the company stop lovin you unless you stop luvin yourself.
I beg to differ to your differ :p
Whether you love your company or work less heartily for the company, you are still part of the company.
I agree with Fulat. Maybe the choice of word "love" is wrong. A company will exist with or without you. Whilst we are in employment with a company, it is our obligation to give 100% during working hours.
When the company does not need you, they give you the boot. Ever heard of VSS and retrenchment? If a company loves us, they would continue to employ us. However, in the real world, the truth is ugly. Ever experience being in a "barisan" where the CEO/CFO/COO calls out the "selected" employee to hand them a retrenchment letter? You keep praying your name will not be called but until then, companies do not love its employees.

[suliet]

Itu kena tanya dia sendiri-lah. But If I was the streamyx line, dah lama I meletup marah sebab aircon sampai sekarang tak fix-fix lagi, itu macam punyer panas and stuffy anybody aso would have a short fuse.
Ya lah, mana tak frust. I think the boss kedekut sangatlah or maybe the company's business down the slope that's why all this things happen lor. Poor VC. :sad-2:

[Lava Gal]

*nod nod* suliet, tatz a major point to keep in mind, definitely :)

underperforming staffs can be a source of tension for their supervisors and colleagues too.

teamwork? work together...dont try backstab each other...basically aim to achieve company's target. so it doesnt matter who is better...its the common aim tat matters.
when there's love 4 company, the company's target should be put above personal ones.

[suliet]

I beg to differ to your differ :p
Whether you love your company or work less heartily for the company, you are still part of the company.
I agree with Fulat. Maybe the choice of word "love" is wrong. A company will exist with or without you. Whilst we are in employment with a company, it is our obligation to give 100% during working hours.
When the company does not need you, they give you the boot. Ever heard of VSS and retrenchment? If a company loves us, they would continue to employ us. However, in the real world, the truth is ugly. Ever experience being in a "barisan" where the CEO/CFO/COO calls out the "selected" employee to hand them a retrenchment letter? You keep praying your name will not be called but until then, companies do not love its employees.
JC, this does not happen in every company lah, only on some circumstances that arise. Things happen and it all depends on how you look at it. Every situation has its pros and cons.

[Oddfather]

I beg to differ to your differ :p
Whether you love your company or work less heartily for the company, you are still part of the company.
I agree with Fulat. Maybe the choice of word "love" is wrong. A company will exist with or without you. Whilst we are in employment with a company, it is our obligation to give 100% during working hours.
When the company does not need you, they give you the boot. Ever heard of VSS and retrenchment? If a company loves us, they would continue to employ us. However, in the real world, the truth is ugly. Ever experience being in a "barisan" where the CEO/CFO/COO calls out the "selected" employee to hand them a retrenchment letter? You keep praying your name will not be called but until then, companies do not love its employees.

Soooo, always make sure you are wanted. You have to not only be clever but also smart to create niche for yourself in the organization. Ever heard of not only you have to work hard but also smart. It is called survival.
VSS and retrenchement are legal methods used by management to downsize the company. It is also to get rid of unproductive staffs. Unproductive staffs are baggage that the company has to carry in their bottomline.

[JC]

JC, this does not happen in every company lah, only on some circumstances that arise. Things happen and it all depends on how you look at it. Every situation has its pros and cons.
Though I agree with you that this does not happen in all companies, it certainly has happened. Like I said in my post, this is only my humble opinion.

Soooo, always make sure you are wanted. You have to not only be clever but also smart to create niche for yourself in the organization. Ever heard of not only you have to work hard but also smart. It is called survival.
Well said. My heart goes out to all the COBOL programmers.

VSS and retrenchement are legal methods used by management to downsize the company. It is also to get rid of unproductive staffs. Unproductive staffs are baggage that the company has to carry in their bottomline.
Don't forget redundancy.

[Oddfather]

*nod nod* suliet, tatz a major point to keep in mind, definitely :)

underperforming staffs can be a source of tension for their supervisors and colleagues too.

teamwork? work together...dont try backstab each other...basically aim to achieve company's target. so it doesnt matter who is better...its the common aim tat matters.
when there's love 4 company, the company's target should be put above personal ones.

you mean who does the work....???

[song cm]

*nod nod* suliet, tatz a major point to keep in mind, definitely :)

underperforming staffs can be a source of tension for their supervisors and colleagues too.

teamwork? work together...dont try backstab each other...basically aim to achieve company's target. so it doesnt matter who is better...its the common aim tat matters.
when there's love 4 company, the company's target should be put above personal ones.

lava....unfortunately, there is no unconditional love....in order to love the company, the company gotta "love" u back and the best way is thru $$$....but then, u need to "stand out" among the rests and hence potential competition n back-stabbing will arise......

[WitchKing]

lava....unfortunately, there is no unconditional love....in order to love the company, the company gotta "love" u back and the best way is thru $$$....but then, u need to "stand out" among the rests and hence potential competition n back-stabbing will arise......

As loath as I am to say it, i do agree with this......

[Oddfather]

lava....unfortunately, there is no unconditional love....in order to love the company, the company gotta "love" u back and the best way is thru $$$....but then, u need to "stand out" among the rests and hence potential competition n back-stabbing will arise......

what happens if for a period the company cannot luv you thru $$$, are you sticking ard??

[Hisham]

As loath as I am to say it, i do agree with this......
I've worked with four different companies and at three the places this is how it works, even if the companies are in different industries. The one place out of four where there's none of it is because it's too small for it to happen.

[song cm]

what happens if for a period the company cannot luv you thru $$$, are you sticking ard??

it depends on how long is the period and how severe...Non payments is a no no

[song cm]

I've worked with four different companies and at three the places this is how it works, even if the companies are in different industries. The one place out of four where there's none of it is because it's too small for it to happen.

meaning all paid equally irregardless of performance?

[Oddfather]

it depends on how long is the period and how severe...Non payments is a no no

There will still be monthly payment but no increment and bonus is kept to a mininum.e.g. half month.

[Hisham]

what happens if for a period the company cannot luv you thru $$$, are you sticking ard??
It's a trade off... you work for them, they pay you money so that you can support yourself and your family. If you can't support your family by working there, you'd find another place to work. Similarly, if you work more than what they are paying you for. A bit more, then never mind, but if you're taking the workload for 3 or 4 people because the boss is cheap and thinks you will do it anyway, then something is definitely wrong with the company.

[song cm]

There will still be monthly payment but no increment and bonus is kept to a mininum.e.g. half month.

hmm...not dat severe...i will stay for a year and re-assess later.....honestly, i wont go looking for a job but if a headhunter call, its a diff story....

[Lava Gal]

No pay...sure find another job, UNLESS ITS UR OWN COMPANY! :eek:

[Hisham]

meaning all paid equally irregardless of performance?
No, just 4 staff, one person taking different roles, so there's no way you can backstab another so you take a piece of his pie, because everyone's work is naturally defined.

[song cm]

No, just 4 staff, one person taking different roles, so there's no way you can backstab another so you take a piece of his pie, because everyone's work is naturally defined.

hmm...dats unique...
but surely if there is only 1 pie...for me to get more, u need to get less....
not dat easy to backstab but still possible....

[Hisham]

hmm...dats unique...
but surely if there is only 1 pie...for me to get more, u need to get less....
not dat easy to backstab but still possible....
THat's true I guess, but for some reason that didn't happen.

[Oddfather]

It's a trade off... you work for them, they pay you money so that you can support yourself and your family. If you can't support your family by working there, you'd find another place to work. Similarly, if you work more than what they are paying you for. A bit more, then never mind, but if you're taking the workload for 3 or 4 people because the boss is cheap and thinks you will do it anyway, then something is definitely wrong with the company.

Supporting your family is a very subjective matter. Some only require very small amount and other huge amount. So it all depends.

Sometimes, the company may be going thru a difficult time. To turn a company ard somtimes requires a time lag. You are required to do the work of 3-4 ppl. So the question is to stick ard or not to stick ard...???

[Odysseus]

Soooo, always make sure you are wanted. You have to not only be clever but also smart to create niche for yourself in the organization. Ever heard of not only you have to work hard but also smart. It is called survival.
VSS and retrenchement are legal methods used by management to downsize the company. It is also to get rid of unproductive staffs. Unproductive staffs are baggage that the company has to carry in their bottomline.
Sometimes, it's better to let a few people go rather than to let the whole boat sink. It's really bad to be in the 'barisan' but that the sad and bitter truth about dunia korporat. Not only the tiny soldiers get the boot, sometimes even the CEO get it too if they do not deliver the bottomline.

Nobody wants to carry out VSS as they do not want to be VSSed too.... But, the pressure may be coming from the board and shareholders. So, bottomline for employee is to make themselves valueable to the company like what Andrew said.

So, to prevent VSS, everyone have to put in 101% effort in their work and not look around to see how other people perform. Usually, looking around will draw us to the negative elements rather than positive. We seldom see team improves when one employee gets recognize. We need to be honest and commited in doing our work. Not just do the job but make sure it is well done. Use the 'inside out' approach. Treat it like your own company.

Key thing is to know what the boss wants from you. If we cannot meet or understand his expectation, please see the boss to discuss more. No need to gossip around. Some do help you. But, people seldom help you to be better than them. Most likely, they will lead to you self-destruction.

Also, we need to cultivate a postive working relationship with the management. Go and have lunch with them. Go have happy hour with them. Chat with them in informal environment. Ask for advice. Develop an understanding of how they think and see things. Steven Covey says 'Seek first to understand'.

When you work for a company, it has to be win-win situation. You develop your career. You make big bucks and the company make profit.

Ultimately, if everything fails, move out and build your career elsewhere. But, still ask yourself what you would have done to make a big career in that company. Do a bit of self analysis and improve based on your past experience.

[song cm]

Supporting your family is a very subjective matter. Some only require very small amount and other huge amount. So it all depends.

Sometimes, the company may be going thru a difficult time. To turn a company ard somtimes requires a time lag. You are required to do the work of 3-4 ppl. So the question is to stick ard or not to stick ard...???

i will stick ard as long as there is no pay cut.....
also, depends on the general market...if no job available elsewhere, might even stick ard even tho with paycut....hope dat day will never come... :(

[Lava Gal]

well said, les!
:eek: seems like we have read the same book :laugh:

seriously, people usually try to better themselves, SADLY, pulling others down in the process!! :(

We can try to be different, improve ourselves, deliver our level best..as per company requirement, dun care if others say we are trying to apple polish, coz we know we are juz doing justice to our conscience by doing our work thoroughly, giving 101%, like u said there...

and GOSSIPPING is MALICIOUS!

[Oddfather]

Sometimes, it's better to let a few people go rather than to let the whole boat sink. It's really bad to be in the 'barisan' but that the sad and bitter truth about dunia korporat. Not only the tiny soldiers get the boot, sometimes even the CEO get it too if they do not deliver the bottomline.

Nobody wants to carry out VSS as they do not want to be VSSed too.... But, the pressure may be coming from the board and shareholders. So, bottomline for employee is to make themselves valueable to the company like what Andrew said.

So, to prevent VSS, everyone have to put in 101% effort in their work and not look around to see how other people perform. Usually, looking around will draw us to the negative elements rather than positive. We seldom see team improves when one employee gets recognize. We need to be honest and commited in doing our work. Not just do the job but make sure it is well done. Use the 'inside out' approach. Treat it like your own company.

Key thing is to know what the boss wants from you. If we cannot meet or understand his expectation, please see the boss to discuss more. No need to gossip around. Some do help you. But, people seldom help you to be better than them. Most likely, they will lead to you self-destruction.

Also, we need to cultivate a postive working relationship with the management. Go and have lunch with them. Go have happy hour with them. Chat with them in informal environment. Ask for advice. Develop an understanding of how they think and see things. Steven Covey says 'Seek first to understand'.

When you work for a company, it has to be win-win situation. You develop your career. You make big bucks and the company make profit.

Ultimately, if everything fails, move out and build your career elsewhere. But, still ask yourself what you would have done to make a big career in that company. Do a bit of self analysis and improve based on your past experience.

Les, Nicely said. Always do unto others what you want others to do to you.

I usually have this problem of understanding of what is "a big career"?

[song cm]

haha...les, u been the Steven Covey's 7 habits? I heard he has no. 8 now....

[Hisham]

Supporting your family is a very subjective matter. Some only require very small amount and other huge amount. So it all depends.

Sometimes, the company may be going thru a difficult time. To turn a company ard somtimes requires a time lag. You are required to do the work of 3-4 ppl. So the question is to stick ard or not to stick ard...???
Good question. I guess this would depend by situation. The other thing is of course if you have a personal investment in the company, like if the company belongs to a close relative or a good friend.

[Oddfather]

haha...les, u been the Steven Covey's 7 habits? I heard he has no. 8 now....

Steve prob has lots up his sleeve. When 7 kenot generate enuf revenue, then he realises one at a time. American style!!!

[Odysseus]

Les, Nicely said. Always do unto others what you want others to do to you.

I usually have this problem of understanding of what is "a big career"?
Andrew, that's the power of subjectivity. It depends on what each individual wants. There is no limit but there is always a price. I just learned during the forum party, someone paid the ultimate price of divorce from his wife for his pursuit of his dream career.

[Odysseus]

Steve prob has lots up his sleeve. When 7 kenot generate enuf revenue, then he realises one at a time. American style!!!
Yup, he has the 8th habit out.... probably to supplement his income :) Livng up to his 7 habits is already difficult enuf.

[Oddfather]

Andrew, that's the power of subjectivity. It depends on what each individual wants. There is no limit but there is always a price. I just learned during the forum party, someone paid the ultimate price of divorce from his wife for his pursuit of his dream career.

you mean it actually happened to a forummer or to somebody else?

[Odysseus]

you mean it actually happened to a forummer or to somebody else?
somebody else.... a common friend. :(

[Oddfather]

somebody else.... a common friend. :(

Ahhh.

I know of a job which requires you to be on takeby 24 hours and does all kind of jobs which the boss instructed. Pay is excellent. Bonus - USD 500,000 to be remitted to any offshore bank acc. Time allow in Msia offically - 1 week with the family.

Is this a big career?

[SS2006]

i will stick ard as long as there is no pay cut.....
also, depends on the general market...if no job available elsewhere, might even stick ard even tho with paycut....hope dat day will never come... :(
My previous company still owed me 3 mths pay, plus >1year,EPF and Socso.
We've been to industrial court & EPF office so many times but never manage to get anything back. Believe it, some employers are immune to laws.

[song cm]

My previous company still owed me 3 mths pay, plus >1year,EPF and Socso.
We've been to industrial court & EPF office so many times but never manage to get anything back. Believe it, some employers are immune to laws.

the one in ipoh? :eek:

[SS2006]

the one in ipoh? :eek:
The one in Ipoh, my 3rd job...

[song cm]

The one in Ipoh, my 3rd job...

dem....how many did u have in ipoh? not the one u told me rite??

[SS2006]

dem....how many did u have in ipoh? not the one u told me rite??
3 in Ipoh. The one I told you was the 1st one.

[Oddfather]

My previous company still owed me 3 mths pay, plus >1year,EPF and Socso.We've been to industrial court & EPF office so many times but never manage to get anything back. Believe it, some employers are immune to laws.

TSC, can help or not??

[song cm]

TSC, can help or not??

haha...i don think she is concern abt sosco...dat one kenot take back anyway....more worried abt pay n epf....

[SS2006]

TSC, can help or not??
Wats TSC? I even consulted lawyers, but the co owed banks too much, even if declare bankrupt the money goes to the banks. Anyway, I've given up - it's just money, at least I still have my sanity. Not worth losing sleep over it.
Luckily I have my husband to support me financially and moralely.

[song cm]

Wats TSC? I even consulted lawyers, but the co owed banks too much, even if declare bankrupt the money goes to the banks. Anyway, I've given up - it's just money, at least I still have my sanity. Not worth losing sleep over it.
Luckily I have my husband to support me financially and morally.

noler...i thot employees stuff take precedent over lenders....any receivers and managers to confirm this??

[Oddfather]

haha...i don think she is concern abt sosco...dat one kenot take back anyway....more worried abt pay n epf....

Can claim SOCSO and get some money for all the money that has gone with the wind..... :p

[Oddfather]

Wats TSC?

SOCSO Boss.....