Migrating....

[song cm]

Okok.....this is indeed an interesting topic and I bet many of you have even considered this one time or another...haha, we even have ppl in this forum who have already migrated...

okok, here are my queries
1) Why does one migrate?
2) Where to migrate to?
3) When to migrate? in ur 20s? 30s?? 50s???

I have this colleague of mine who is migrating to Australia...it does puzzle me as the need for someone to migrate at times...ie if one is already quite successful and have nice house n cars...is there a need to migrate??

[KoChun]

I am staying in Malaysia, I don't see the need for me to migrate, at least for now.

You'll never know what's going to happen the future, right? As for now, I am still fine with Malaysia.

[Dino]

I would think that if you are already successful in Malaysia, you may be ever more successful overseas!! No??

[song cm]

I would think that if you are already successful in Malaysia, you may be ever more successful overseas!! No??

not really...ie u might need to start from scratch...somemore...some countries got discrimination one... :(

[KoChun]

I would think that if you are already successful in Malaysia, you may be ever more successful overseas!! No??
Probably yes, but why move? Success has no limits and is defined in many ways. :)

[song cm]

I am staying in Malaysia, I don't see the need for me to migrate, at least for now.

You'll never know what's going to happen the future, right? As for now, I am still fine with Malaysia.

what wld ur answers to my 3 questions be??

[Dino]

Actually, if you can make it big in Malaysia, i am sure you have the experience to make it big overseas too. I know that for IT, its your experience that counts.

[song cm]

Actually, if you can make it big in Malaysia, i am sure you have the experience to make it big overseas too. I know that for IT, its your experience that counts.

maybe IT is more "borderless" but not many other areas are like that...
anyway, dino, what are your answers to my first Q?

[athena]

Okok.....this is indeed an interesting topic and I bet many of you have even considered this one time or another...haha, we even have ppl in this forum who have already migrated...

okok, here are my queries
1) Why does one migrate?
2) Where to migrate to?
3) When to migrate? in ur 20s? 30s?? 50s???

I have this colleague of mine who is migrating to Australia...it does puzzle me as the need for someone to migrate at times...ie if one is already quite successful and have nice house n cars...is there a need to migrate??

hmmm let's see....

1) because you cannot take the unfair system in our country
2) a country where there isn't a wide racial divide
3) 20s/30s would be ideal. too old they might not wanna accept u!

[Dino]

okok, here are my queries
1) Why does one migrate?
2) Where to migrate to?
3) When to migrate? in ur 20s? 30s?? 50s???


1) Not happy with your own country.
2) For me US/UK/Canada/New Zealand
3) 20s/30s and even 40s is ok.

[KoChun]

what wld ur answers to my 3 questions be??
Got questions ah? Wait ah, let me read again.

1. To start a new leaf of life or to escape from something
2. Australia, maybe
3. In 30s

Anyway, I am not leaving. Don't force me, Song.

[song cm]

hmmm let's see....

1) because you cannot take the unfair system in our country
2) a country where there isn't a wide racial divide
3) 20s/30s would be ideal. too old they might not wanna accept u!

wat abt u ath? ever consider??

[athena]

wat abt u ath? ever consider??
considered ...yes...but leaving ..it's hard...family...frens...

[song cm]

Got questions ah? Wait ah, let me read again.

1. To start a new leaf of life or to escape from something
2. Australia, maybe
3. In 30s

Anyway, I am not leaving. Don't force me, Song.

haha...don worry, I am not forcing u... :D

for me it wld be the following reasons:
1) fed up of the system and want to try something new
2) either Australia or UK
3) 30s.....

but my main problem is that by then, one wld be too comfortable in Malaysia to even want to migrate.....

[song cm]

considered ...yes...but leaving ..it's hard...family...frens...

don forget the food...haha...3 Fs....

[Odysseus]

1. Give up on the system
2. Country with a system acceptable to me..
3. When the ooportunity is right... never rush. Look before you leap unless u wanna write a rag-to-riches story for your grandchildren in the new country la..

[Odysseus]

don forget the food...haha...3 Fs....
3Fs? I only see 2 in Athena's reply. What's the 3rd?

[Dino]

From my own experience, the most difficult time when you migrate, is getting familiarize with your enviroment and learning a whole new culture. This may take up to a year just to get familiar with it. Once you know your way round, then its ok. But at the end of the day, best damn decision i've made!! :)

[song cm]

3Fs? I only see 2 in Athena's reply. What's the 3rd?

apalah u blind...food lar....or mayb u r just plain notti... :laugh:

[Odysseus]

apalah u blind...food lar....or mayb u r just plain notti... :laugh:
What do u think?

[monay]

1) if my country becomes too difficult to live in. i thought i would always stay in malaysia but currently am many miles away, at first we thought we were just going for a year or two then oppurtunity arose to stay longer and longer... and now mebbe we'll stay over here but still dunno....malaysia is a very nice place to stay too... :)
2) i'd like to try New Zealand
3) 20s, young people r more adaptable, accent takes a long time to learn...(only kids get it perfectly) that will always set u apart as a foreigner...

[song cm]

1) if my country becomes too difficult to live in. i thought i would always stay in malaysia but currently am many miles away, at first we thought we were just going for a year or two then oppurtunity arose to stay longer and longer... and now mebbe we'll stay over here but still dunno....malaysia is a very nice place to stay too... :)
2) i'd like to try New Zealand
3) 20s, young people r more adaptable, accent takes a long time to learn...(only kids get it perfectly) that will always set u apart as a foreigner...

i agree on no (3)...definitely an advantage...somemore got nothing much to loose......

another reason for migration....cheaper children's education....

[Oddfather]

Okok.....this is indeed an interesting topic and I bet many of you have even considered this one time or another...haha, we even have ppl in this forum who have already migrated...

okok, here are my queries
1) Why does one migrate?
2) Where to migrate to?
3) When to migrate? in ur 20s? 30s?? 50s???

I have this colleague of mine who is migrating to Australia...it does puzzle me as the need for someone to migrate at times...ie if one is already quite successful and have nice house n cars...is there a need to migrate??
When it comes to this questions, there is 1001 things one has to consider. For me, it would be much, much easier to consider this question when I am in my 20s, alone and no obligations, spouse, house, etc.
But when you are in your 40s or 50s or even 30s, please consider this. You would have made it in Msia, spouse, children, house, car, and most of all career. You have some ah mahs to make coffee for you every morning, driver to drive to meetings, etc, etc. What is one actually trying to achieve in life? Money? and more money? and more more money? to do what?
I know of many ppl whom migrated, but return to Msia after a few years citing that there is no place plike home, Msia. We cannot finish earning money, it is everywhere! It is how much one need and how much can you get? Msia is a land of opportunity, if you still don't know. Why are you looking at migrating when a foreign is looking for opportunity in Msia? It still puzzles me!!

[monay]

i agree on no (3)...definitely an advantage...somemore got nothing much to loose......

another reason for migration....cheaper children's education....
and no deep roots to uproot... i had no house, no real expensive car, no kids at that time...

[song cm]

When it comes to this questions, there is 1001 things one has to consider. For me, it would be much, much easier to consider this question when I am in my 20s, alone and no obligations, spouse, house, etc.
But when you are in your 40s or 50s or even 30s, please consider this. You would have made it in Msia, spouse, children, house, car, and most of all career. You have some ah mahs to make coffee for you every morning, driver to drive to meetings, etc, etc. What is one actually trying to achieve in life? Money? and more money? and more more money? to do what?
I know of many ppl whom migrated, but return to Msia after a few years citing that there is no place plike home, Msia. We cannot finish earning money, it is everywhere! It is how much one need and how much can you get? Msia is a land of opportunity, if you still don't know. Why are you looking at migrating when a foreign is looking for opportunity in Msia? It still puzzles me!!

yeap...definitely true...
but the problem is that the longer u r in malaysia, the more unhappy u r on the political state of affairs in malaysia..... :(

[monay]

yeap...definitely true...
but the problem is that the longer u r in malaysia, the more unhappy u r on the political state of affairs in malaysia..... :(
grass may look greener on the other side....

[song cm]

grass may look greener on the other side....

yeap.....i guess so....but at least i understand the "reason" behind these inequalities when I am abroad....not where i am born..... :(

[Dino]

I came here in 1998 when i was 24.....20s.... :D

[song cm]

I came here in 1998 when i was 24.....20s.... :D

dino, wat was your reason to go to US if u don mind sharing?

[Dino]

dino, wat was your reason to go to US if u don mind sharing?

Sad to say but my mind is focus on money. When i was in UK, i realize that the spending power of western countries is amazing. So when my aunt asks me if i would like to go to US if i was given the opportunity, i said yes. She sponsor my air-tickets, i called up a friend i have in Seattle, stayed there for a while and got a job.....trust me, when i got a job that would help me out with my work permit....its the best feeling i have. For the first time, i am earning in US money and working for a US company. So money was my main motivation. :o

[song cm]

Sad to say but my mind is focus on money. When i was in UK, i realize that the spending power of western countries is amazing. So when my aunt asks me if i would like to go to US if i was given the opportunity, i said yes. She sponsor my air-tickets, i called up a friend i have in Seattle, stayed there for a while and got a job.....trust me, when i got a job that would help me out with my work permit....its the best feeling i have. For the first time, i am earning in US money and working for a US company. So money was my main motivation. :o

wau...i do admire your courage here....going over some foreign land just to earn some $$$.... :D

[Dino]

wau...i do admire your courage here....going over some foreign land just to earn some $$$.... :D

Nothing to loose that time....just graduated from UK....spanking new bachelors, no money,no job to loose,no wife and kid to feed,no commitments for house and car..... :)

[song cm]

Nothing to loose that time....just graduated from UK....spanking new bachelors, no money,no job to loose,no wife and kid to feed,no commitments for house and car..... :)

why din consider UK?
I wld love to go back there one day...maybe stay in Manchester... :D

[Dino]

why din consider UK?
I wld love to go back there one day...maybe stay in Manchester... :D

That time hard to get work permit in UK...in 1998, US IT field was booming.....
I love UK....London was great!!! But scary to walk thru Soho..... :o

[song cm]

That time hard to get work permit in UK...in 1998, US IT field was booming.....
I love UK....London was great!!! But scary to walk thru Soho..... :o

me too...had great memories in Picadilly Circus n Leciester Square....
remember Wong kei in Chinatown??

[Dino]

me too...had great memories in Picadilly Circus n Leciester Square....
remember Wong kei in Chinatown??

Wong Kei...hahahahaha.....i learn something in ChinaTown there.
Never go to a 5pound buffet coz you'll end up eating a lot of Chow Mein and digging thru buckets of onions and celery for one piece of meat!!! Basket i tell you!! :laugh:

[song cm]

Wong Kei...hahahahaha.....i learn something in ChinaTown there.
Never go to a 5pound buffet coz you'll end up eating a lot of Chow Mein and digging thru buckets of onions and celery for one piece of meat!!! Basket i tell you!! :laugh:

hahaha....but then, the food still taste good rite?
i always feel like a rooster being "shoo" to our table whenver i am in there...somemore, we are forced to share tables one... :laugh:

[Dino]

hahaha....but then, the food still taste good rite?
i always feel like a rooster being "shoo" to our table whenver i am in there...somemore, we are forced to share tables one... :laugh:

I shared once with 4 other groups there once....all dem quiet there wan...but food is ok laaa....i think other rest. are much better.

[song cm]

I shared once with 4 other groups there once....all dem quiet there wan...but food is ok laaa....i think other rest. are much better.

but other restaurant can't beat the price n quantity... :D
okok...lets chat in the other thread....

[Oddfather]

yeap...definitely true...
but the problem is that the longer u r in malaysia, the more unhappy u r on the political state of affairs in malaysia..... :(
since you are in Msia, do something abt it. What makes US and UK the system ticks? Bcoz there are ppl who did something abt it. So, lets start here and now.

[song cm]

since you are in Msia, do something abt it. What makes US and UK the system ticks? Bcoz there are ppl who did something abt it. So, lets start here and now.

wow...are we starting a Reformasi?? :laugh:

[athena]

wow...are we starting a Reformasi?? :laugh:
is that word seditious? :) won't wanna hv a forummer in jail becoz of that?? :laugh:

[song cm]

is that word seditious? :) won't wanna hv a forummer in jail becoz of that?? :laugh:

i dunno worr.... :worried: ...mayb i shld edit them?? :eek:

[Dino]

wow...are we starting a Reformasi?? :laugh:


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[athena]

i dunno worr.... :worried: ...mayb i shld edit them?? :eek:
dun care la....we'll visit u! :cheesy:

[Dino]

dun care la....we'll visit u! :cheesy:

I don't think they let you visit laaa.....

[song cm]

dun care la....we'll visit u! :cheesy:
make sure u tapau siew yoke for me..... :D

[Jinwei Pho]

ok...my 2 cents worth...
1) M'sia is great but there are limitations to what you want to do for the rest of your life vs what you are expected to do due to peer pressure/society..i love my current job now, wouldn't trade it for anything else..
2) the obvious..US..esp living in Hawaii...:p
3) mid 20s to early 30s...so that u r mature & dont go running wild eith all the freedom...:laugh:

[song cm]

ok...my 2 cents worth...
1) M'sia is great but there are limitations to what you want to do for the rest of your life vs what you are expected to do due to peer pressure/society..i love my current job now, wouldn't trade it for anything else..
2) the obvious..US..esp living in Hawaii...:p
3) mid 20s to early 30s...so that u r mature & dont go running wild eith all the freedom...:laugh:

speaking from experience isit?? :p

[Jinwei Pho]

speaking from experience isit?? :p
most definitely...:laugh: nobody else to blame but myself...:p

[song cm]

most definitely...:laugh: nobody else to blame but myself...:p

well, u do sound more mature nowadays.....looks like things worked well for u... :D

[Jinwei Pho]

well, u do sound more mature nowadays.....looks like things worked well for u... :D
thank you...been through the "school of hard knocks" so...am glad that i turned out pretty well overseas....u thinking of migrating too?

[song cm]

thank you...been through the "school of hard knocks" so...am glad that i turned out pretty well overseas....u thinking of migrating too?

not really...i am too comfy in penang....mayb later when i am more "fed-up" in malaysia. But i sure wld like to go back to UK one day......

[song cm]

okok...more reasons to migrate

1) super factory outlet sales..... :D
2) running from authorities... :laugh:

[KeeOng]

If you are interested in migrating to US, you can try out
this greencard lottery thru Diversity Program:

http://travel.state.gov/visa/immigrants/types/types_1322.html

[Odysseus]

okok...more reasons to migrate

1) super factory outlet sales..... :D
2) running from authorities... :laugh:
How about blondes?

[Dino]

How about blondes?

What about them??

[Zazu]

How about blondes?


here also got blondes... celup ones..... i think 1/10 of the gals here that see me are blondes in various shades :)

[Odysseus]

here also got blondes... celup ones..... i think 1/10 of the gals here that see me are blondes in various shades :)
Do they fit into the category of blodes as describe in the jokes :p

[KeeOng]

1) Job opportunity in the line that I want to work.
2) US since this is where the new inovation in IT is happening.
3) 20's/30's but if you are adaptable any age.

Cons:
1) Family/relatives/friends.
2) Food.
3) You will always be a foreigner.
4) Unfamiliar places: Sitiawan will always be home. I like the smalltown/kampung feeling. (Think about it, Westerners take a week or two to go to these small/exotic places once/twice a year for vacation. For some, so called "poorer" people, they live that way their whole life.

So, count your blessings wherever you are. Grass always look greener on the other side of the fence. :)

[Dino]

Do they fit into the category of blodes as describe in the jokes :p

Very much!!!! :squeeze:

[Odysseus]

What about them??
As one of the motivating factor for migrating la.... Do you have bus loads of them?

[Dino]

As one of the motivating factor for migrating la.... Do you have bus loads of them?

California a lot laa.....

[Odysseus]

California a lot laa.....
Seattle?

[Dino]

Seattle?

Got laaaa....Kee Ong.....MS got blondes or not???

[athena]

another good reason to migrate...our leaders are clowns! haha...

[KeeOng]

Got laaaa....Kee Ong.....MS got blondes or not???

Do you see BLONDE and SMART in the same sentence? :)

I will get killed if I say that at work... very pollitically incorrect.

[Dino]

Do you see BLONDE and SMART in the same sentence? :)

I will get killed if I say that at work... very pollitically incorrect.

Nevermind.....MS got a lot blacks!!! :p

[song cm]

1) Job opportunity in the line that I want to work.
2) US since this is where the new inovation in IT is happening.
3) 20's/30's but if you are adaptable any age.

Cons:
1) Family/relatives/friends.
2) Food.
3) You will always be a foreigner.
4) Unfamiliar places: Sitiawan will always be home. I like the smalltown/kampung feeling. (Think about it, Westerners take a week or two to go to these small/exotic places once/twice a year for vacation. For some, so called "poorer" people, they live that way their whole life.

So, count your blessings wherever you are. Grass always look greener on the other side of the fence. :)

great advise...Kee Ong....btw, u r zazu's cousin right?

Yeap...grass is always seems greener on the other side.....but u will never know until u cross over....

[Odysseus]

Nevermind.....MS got a lot blacks!!! :p
MS got rainbows. Hire every color....

[KeeOng]

Nevermind.....MS got a lot blacks!!! :p

Haven't you heard black is beautiful :)
Anyway, there are many Indians working at MS.


Lots of very geeky and nerdy ones as well, no particular race.
There is even a car plate I saw with "CHUBBY 1".
I guess anything goes in this Geeksville.

[KeeOng]

great advise...Kee Ong....btw, u r zazu's cousin right?

Yeap...grass is always seems greener on the other side.....but u will never know until u cross over....

Thanks, actually, that would be Diong Kee Onn? I am the unknown one :( in school.

[KeeOng]

MS got rainbows. Hire every color....

Maybe that's why we got so much rain :)

Seriously, Seattle is a nice place to live (voted several times by Fortune magazine) as the top or one of the top cities to live in US.

Lot's of rain, just like Malaysia. Very cosmopolitan (16% Asian in Redmond/Belluvue (suburbs of Seattle).

[song cm]

Thanks, actually, that would be Diong Kee Onn? I am the unknown one :( in school.

oops...thanks.

haha...sure u r unknown? anyway, dats not important anymore, right? :D

[Voon Chan]

1) Why does one migrate?
Better income, life style (working as an expat), Children's future (education)

2) Where to migrate to?
To Paris, France

3) When to migrate? in ur 20s? 30s?? 50s???
It should be before 40
Reason, can retire in Malaysia

[song cm]

1) Why does one migrate?
Better income, life style (working as an expat), Children's future (education)

2) Where to migrate to?
To Paris, France

3) When to migrate? in ur 20s? 30s?? 50s???
It should be before 40
Reason, can retire in Malaysia

hmm....i dunno...i am contemplating of migrating when I am in my 40s.....(more for the sake of my children's education) and then retire abroad....possibly UK or Australia....

[PreciousPearl]

hmm....i dunno...i am contemplating of migrating when I am in my 40s.....(more for the sake of my children's education) and then retire abroad....possibly UK or Australia....
don't do it mr song.....better to work in UK and retire to spen pencen elsewhere. the rate of exchange for £sterling will make you very rich anywhere in the world

[song cm]

don't do it mr song.....better to work in UK and retire to spen pencen elsewhere. the rate of exchange for £sterling will make you very rich anywhere in the world

haha....call me song will do, PP...
yeap....dat is one good advice....at the rate of 6.5, I will be a millionaire when i get back to malaysia...... :D

[Odysseus]

haha....call me song will do, PP...
yeap....dat is one good advice....at the rate of 6.5, I will be a millionaire when i get back to malaysia...... :D
Very true... let's start moving to UK :D Then, return to Malaysia under Silver Hair program :eek:

[song cm]

Very true... let's start moving to UK :D Then, return to Malaysia under Silver Hair program :eek:

haha...good idea but dunno whether we can qualify as we still have malaysian passport... :eek: