View Full Version : The Hurricane Damage Is Shockingly Bad....
Wow!! Hurricane Katrina that hit the gulf a few days ago is really,really bad.
I mean 80% of New Orleans is underwater and it totally looked like the tsunami last year. Saw helicopter videos and the whole place looks flat.
Lava Gal
08-31-2005, 12:09 PM
its bad...no part of the world is free from nature's disasters!
NHLee
08-31-2005, 12:20 PM
its bad...no part of the world is free from nature's disasters!
The world is not created to be in static state. Randomness and chaos from simple human society to major natural catastrophy...it's rather countless..anyway we are waiting to die the minute we were born.
Lava Gal
08-31-2005, 12:49 PM
waiting to die??? NH u make life sound so sad :( tell u wat...death is inevitable for all those who are born.
but we can LIVE...live so that when the END occurs, we can leave peacefully...:)
LiLiaN
08-31-2005, 03:27 PM
shocking damage indeed... and saw people being rescued from roof tops... very sad...
victor
08-31-2005, 06:45 PM
Well at least they anticipated the disaster unlike Tsunami on 26/12 when thousands die.
LiLiaN
08-31-2005, 07:56 PM
true, dealth casualty much much lower...
victor
09-01-2005, 12:57 AM
Sigh! Feeling of Armagedon is round the corner. All those natural and unnatural disaster following one another!
Lava Gal
09-01-2005, 02:43 AM
shocking damage indeed... and saw people being rescued from roof tops... very sad...
this reminds me of school textbooks...Moral in particular i think...u know those pictures of ppl on rooftops & all, waiting for help to arrive, during flood time
monay
09-01-2005, 06:12 AM
Wow!! Hurricane Katrina that hit the gulf a few days ago is really,really bad.
I mean 80% of New Orleans is underwater and it totally looked like the tsunami last year. Saw helicopter videos and the whole place looks flat.
yup, shocking..
not to minimize the terrible situation in New Orleans, but it could have been much worst. it was not a direct hit. however, in the case of NO, it is 10 feet below sea level and the dikes built around it to keep the sea out is now letting the sea in and not draining. it's becoming a big old bowl of water :(
but seriously it could be worst. many were evacuated prior to Katrina hitting.
Hisham
09-01-2005, 11:15 AM
Picture of Bush hard at work (http://www.boingboing.net/2005/08/31/_a_tale_of_two_photo.html) to combat the Katrina emergency.
Odysseus
09-01-2005, 11:32 AM
waiting to die??? NH u make life sound so sad :( tell u wat...death is inevitable for all those who are born.
but we can LIVE...live so that when the END occurs, we can leave peacefully...:)
Lava, everyhting in life is cyclical from the time you are born till u die. The only thing that is different is timing.
When u r born, u are expected to walk and talk. Then go to school, pass exams, go to college/uni..... graduate. Get a job. Settle down, have kids... U pass the expectations to your kids... u move on... do retirement planning.. b4 u know it, u retires... then the ultimate ending comes...
Sometimes, the ending comes faster and distrupt the storyline la...
Odysseus
09-01-2005, 11:33 AM
not to minimize the terrible situation in New Orleans, but it could have been much worst. it was not a direct hit. however, in the case of NO, it is 10 feet below sea level and the dikes built around it to keep the sea out is now letting the sea in and not draining. it's becoming a big old bowl of water :(
but seriously it could be worst. many were evacuated prior to Katrina hitting.
Nature has its own way of dealing with justice........
Nature has its own way of dealing with justice........
Don't tell me you are one of those that believe that this is a punishment from a higher being!! :sus:
NHLee
09-01-2005, 01:17 PM
Nature has its own way of dealing with justice........
God's Almighty. Bush said Katrina's effect may last for years. Another news, one man funeral was marred by the storm. My god, imagine, even the dead funeral also got interrupted by the storm!!
NHLee
09-01-2005, 01:21 PM
waiting to die??? NH u make life sound so sad :( tell u wat...death is inevitable for all those who are born.
but we can LIVE...live so that when the END occurs, we can leave peacefully...:)
It's true lah. I just removed those lifetime stories between birth and death. So, that's why it sounds short and dreadful. U got the logic? Anyway, everything is by God's mathematics!! The way He play dice is different from those in Genting.
NHLee
09-01-2005, 01:23 PM
Lava, everyhting in life is cyclical from the time you are born till u die. The only thing that is different is timing.
When u r born, u are expected to walk and talk. Then go to school, pass exams, go to college/uni..... graduate. Get a job. Settle down, have kids... U pass the expectations to your kids... u move on... do retirement planning.. b4 u know it, u retires... then the ultimate ending comes...
Sometimes, the ending comes faster and distrupt the storyline la...
From dust to dust.....everyone's timing is different.
NHLee
09-01-2005, 01:26 PM
waiting to die??? NH u make life sound so sad :( tell u wat...death is inevitable for all those who are born.
but we can LIVE...live so that when the END occurs, we can leave peacefully...:)
From dust u r made..to dust u shall return...the difference is the timing lah. But, the dust here may refer to something very small, perhaps microscopic like our ultra small DNA....that's is our biological signature. :)
NHLee
09-01-2005, 01:27 PM
not to minimize the terrible situation in New Orleans, but it could have been much worst. it was not a direct hit. however, in the case of NO, it is 10 feet below sea level and the dikes built around it to keep the sea out is now letting the sea in and not draining. it's becoming a big old bowl of water :(
but seriously it could be worst. many were evacuated prior to Katrina hitting.
Even Bush also shocked! He cannot match God for sure :)
Hisham
09-01-2005, 02:03 PM
Even Bush also shocked! He cannot match God for sure :)
Are you sure Bush is shocked? Check out my link in post #12 in this thread. :D
NHLee
09-01-2005, 03:14 PM
Sigh! Feeling of Armagedon is round the corner. All those natural and unnatural disaster following one another!
End of days...everything is eventual. If u check it out in astronomy, actually our earth is dying because of our sun. Our solar mass is expanding because it is burning off its core energy. Its expansion is to compensate the energy loss by the rate of thousand years. So, scientists estimated (by calculation) about 3 billion years later, mercury, venus will be devour; earth will be inhabitable due to its distance to the sun before following the first two planet fate. Forget about ozone layer, it will be just history. I don't where is human civilization when the time come.
NHLee
09-01-2005, 03:19 PM
Are you sure Bush is shocked? Check out my link in post #12 in this thread. :D
Oh dear, I was shocked. People struggle to survivie and dia tengah petik guitar?? Sampai hati he is like that..still jolly around!! I think he better step down and select a democrat!
NHLee
09-01-2005, 03:21 PM
not to minimize the terrible situation in New Orleans, but it could have been much worst. it was not a direct hit. however, in the case of NO, it is 10 feet below sea level and the dikes built around it to keep the sea out is now letting the sea in and not draining. it's becoming a big old bowl of water :(
but seriously it could be worst. many were evacuated prior to Katrina hitting.
Kucing and anjing also tengelam lah! But anjing can swim well. Kucing can land well when fell from tall building (mostly but not all).
NHLee
09-01-2005, 03:24 PM
Are you sure Bush is shocked? Check out my link in post #12 in this thread. :D
Never mind dia. He can prepare his answer/s when he meet up with God someday lor. Dia kan educated man.
Hisham
09-01-2005, 09:04 PM
"George W Bush gave one of the worst speeches of his life yesterday," says the New York Times in an editorial.
"He advised the public that anybody who wanted to help should send cash, grinned, and promised that everything would work out in the end.
"And nothing about the president's demeanour yesterday - which seemed casual to the point of carelessness - suggested that he understood the depth of the current crisis."
BBC Link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4204292.stm)
Hisham
09-01-2005, 09:09 PM
Inside the Superdome, housing 16,000 refugees:
"We pee on the floor. We are like animals," said Taffany Smith, 25, as she cradled her 3-week-old son, Terry. In her right hand she carried a half-full bottle of formula provided by rescuers. Baby supplies are running low; one mother said she was given two diapers and told to scrape them off when they got dirty and use them again.
At least two people, including a child, have been raped. At least three people have died, including one man who jumped 50 feet to his death, saying he had nothing left to live for.
One man tried to escape Wednesday by leaping a barricade and racing toward the streets. The man was desperate, National Guard Sgt. Caleb Wells said. Everything he was able to bring to the Superdome had been stolen. His house had probably been destroyed, his relatives killed.
"We had to chase him down," Wells said. "He said he just wanted to get out, to go somewhere. We took him to the terrace and said: 'Look.' "
Below, floodwaters were continuing to rise, submerging cars.
"He didn't realize how bad things are out there," Wells said. "He just broke down. He started bawling. We took him back inside."
Yahoo Link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/latimests/20050901/ts_latimes/trappedinanarenaofsuffering)
LiLiaN
09-01-2005, 10:24 PM
whoa... yet another katrina related thread....
going to merge it with related thread for maintenance purposes...
Hisham
09-01-2005, 10:50 PM
The mayor of New Orleans warned yesterday that the death toll from Hurricane Katrina could climb into the thousands, while Army engineers tried to save the flooded city and looters ran wild.
"We know there is a significant number of dead bodies in the water," Mayor Ray Nagin said. "Minimum, hundreds. Most likely, thousands."
He ordered 1,500 police officers to leave their search-and-rescue mission last night and return to the streets to halt the rampant looting.
Even cemeteries were not spared Katrina's wrath, disturbing the dead and shattering mausoleums whose coffins washed up on Gulf Coast beaches.
NYDN Link (http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/342495p-292367c.html)
Hisham
09-02-2005, 08:51 AM
Some interesting quotes rom a Fark.com discussion thread (http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=1648407):
2005-09-01 05:32:49 PM SmellyTerror
Tsunami in Asia, hundred thousand dead, bodies piled in the streets, overwhelming devastation. Looting? Murder? Shooting at rescuers?
Not so much. A bit, but not much. Hell in Aceh, Indonesia, even then farking terrorists called a cease-fire for the duration.
America, WFT?
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2005-09-01 05:42:56 PM Bostonbob
The term "looting" becomes ever more difficult to accurately describe. We all seem to agree that food and water is acceptable to "loot," but not TVs or PlayStations. But what about vehicles that can get you out of Stew Orleans when you have no other means? This disaster is creating a cascading series of moral dilemnas we'll be dealing with for quite some time.
2005-09-01 05:47:25 PM dravus2000
You know... I wish Bush would stop talking and do something... Like tell Congress to fark itself and declare martial law throughout the affected Gulf Coast. Mobilize the remaining reservists and as many stationed actives as possible and send them all down to help. Arm them, give them orders to retaliate with deadly force to any attacks, and tell them to evacuate the affected areas at all costs. Call up Canada and Venezuela, apologize PROFUSELY, and ask them for the offered aide and promise their relief workers military protection.
Once we have all the survivors sorted out and the anarchists and gangs terminated then send the actives home and have the reservists, national civilian community corps, and the americorps take care of clean up.
/realizes bush probably won't do jack since there's no money in it for halliburton
//says, "fark the looters, save the rest."
///would like to smack bush around with Uma Thurman's massive man-hands
////remembers old yeller, for some reason
2005-09-01 05:50:47 PM rbuzby
The mayor of NO is on live on CNN, he is at the convention center.
He said they have gotten NO HELP YET !
He said some troops have driven by in a "show of force" but not stopped to help.
He said there have been rapes, and there are bodies in the convention center.
No help yet at the convention center.
Now FEMA Director Michael Brown says they werent asked for any help until 5 hours ago.
2005-09-01 05:51:00 PM tinrobot
They can drop a 2000lb bomb down a chimney in Iraq.
Yet they can't drop a few thousand pounds of food and water on the convention center.
This is too sad for words.
2005-09-01 05:52:24 PM haws83
If anyone is still reading this, the reason they aren't simply dropping supplies in is because this would cause at least a dozen gunfights. Ever see footage from Somalia at the supply distribution centers? Complete chaos and people with guns will tend to take control of and hoard the supplies.
2005-09-01 05:56:10 PM Rocketnumbernine
The reason helicopters are being fire upon is because the police didnt immediately stop the looting when it first erupted, and now the looters are scared.
The looters probably think the helicopters and armed guradsmen are coming to stop the looting. They are scared the authorities are coming not to evacuate but to arrest them or worse. All it takes is one bit of gossip to spread about martial law and firing on looters to put the scare in people. I'm sure with the trickling of information between people in the city that gossip and wild rumours about the police are running rampant.
If you had looted a ton of crap and then saw a fleet of military choppers swing overhead wouldnt you get a bit nervous?
2005-09-01 06:19:11 PM animekev
I lived in New Orleans 40 years before I moved to Baton Rouge 2 years ago. As a N.O. native I can say with certainty that all this talk about people not leaving the city because they are poor is total BS. The issue isn't whether they could leave the city; most of them couldn't even be bothered to shelter. Yeh, the shelter in the superdome turned out not to be the greatest, but everyone in there lived. Most that stayed simply refuse to do anything for themselves. They are totally dependent upon the government to do everything for them, even force them to survive.
You couldn't get them into a shelter even if you sent them an engraved invitation and a limo to drive them. Most would probably have required a house by house search by police to forcebly take them to safety. Many still refuse to leave even now, according to reports I'm hearing from friends who are there working rescue. Also, some of the shooting at rescue helicopters is because there are would-be overlords down there now, trying to be king of a tiny, rich, albeit short lived kingdom. Others would prefer to fend for themselves rather than trust the government, even in the face of death. They believe that once they are gone, the government will take what little they have - i.e. they will never get their land back, and still others don't want to help themselves, because they believe that every day the are stuck in New Orleans is another $100K they can eventually get from the government in compensation.
As far as the Federal cuts to money for levee re-inforcement, this doesn't matter. Only someone who has lived there can understand the staggering depths of corruption in local New Orleans government, now and historically. Such a tiny fraction of funding ever goes for it's intended purpose, that it wouldn't matter whether Bush gave 10 or 100 billion. The money would be gone and no work would ever be done. There are new pumps, intended for the surrounding N.O. area bought at a cost of many hundreds of thousands of dollars, 5 years ago, that are still in storage, never installed due to this kind of thing. And, some levees WERE strengthened. The smaller ones whose destruction would only flood rich (not just white or black, but green) neighborhoods, not the whole city.
It's sad, because New Orleans is a grand old city. But now I'm glad I left. Everyone has know that this was always a posibility with every hurricane that has hit the area for the last 20 years. As any New Orleans gambler can tell you, even long shots eventually pay off.
NHLee
09-02-2005, 12:32 PM
BBC Link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4204292.stm)
Bush will answer for a lot of things someday both domestic and foreign affairs!! :D
NHLee
09-02-2005, 12:35 PM
whoa... yet another katrina related thread....
going to merge it with related thread for maintenance purposes...
It's already in global news!! Spinning the globe....the agony of disaster's victims. Meanwhile, Bush is entertaining with his guitar!! :mad:
NHLee
09-02-2005, 12:36 PM
BBC Link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4204292.stm)
Must give positif peransang to his ppl ma. :)
NHLee
09-02-2005, 12:38 PM
NYDN Link (http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/342495p-292367c.html)
then...mayat tidur mana??
Hisham
09-02-2005, 12:39 PM
then...mayat tidur mana??
Mana mana saja.
http://www.hishgraphics.com/blog/images/katrina.jpg
NHLee
09-02-2005, 12:42 PM
Mana mana saja.
http://www.hishgraphics.com/blog/images/katrina.jpg
Kasihan ya. A country with a leader supposedly the most powerful person on earth. .....What the hell is Bush doing? Maybe, it's time to select a democrat!! :mad:
Linkinfark
09-02-2005, 01:34 PM
Sep 2, 1:24 AM EDT
New Orleans in Anarchy With Fights, Rapes
By ALLEN G. BREED
Associated Press Writer
NEW ORLEANS (AP) -- New Orleans descended into anarchy Thursday as corpses lay abandoned in street medians, fights and fires broke out, cops turned in their badges and the governor declared war on looters who have made the city a menacing landscape of disorder and fear.
"They have M-16s and they're locked and loaded," Gov. Kathleen Blanco said of 300 National Guard troops who landed in New Orleans fresh from duty in Iraq. "These troops know how to shoot and kill, and they are more than willing to do so, and I expect they will."
Four days after Hurricane Katrina roared in with a devastating blow that inflicted potentially thousands of deaths, the fear, anger and violence mounted Thursday.
"I'm not sure I'm going to get out of here alive," said Canadian tourist Larry Mitzel, who handed a reporter his business card in case he goes missing. "I'm scared of riots. I'm scared of the locals. We might get caught in the crossfire."
The chaos deepened despite the promise of 1,400 National Guardsmen a day to stop the looting, plans for a $10 billion recovery bill in Congress and a government relief effort President Bush called the biggest in U.S. history.
New Orleans' top emergency management official called that effort a "national disgrace" and questioned when reinforcements would actually reach the increasingly lawless city.
About 15,000 to 20,000 people who had taken shelter at New Orleans convention center grew ever more hostile after waiting for buses for days amid the filth and the dead. Police Chief Eddie Compass said there was such a crush around a squad of 88 officers that they retreated when they went in to check out reports of assaults.
"We have individuals who are getting raped, we have individuals who are getting beaten," Compass said. "Tourists are walking in that direction and they are getting preyed upon."
Breed reports people are scrambling to get food and water from helicopters.
Col. Henry Whitehorn, chief of the Louisiana State Police, said he heard of numerous instances of New Orleans police officers - many of whom from flooded areas - turning in their badges.
"They indicated that they had lost everything and didn't feel that it was worth them going back to take fire from looters and losing their lives," Whitehorn said.
A military helicopter tried to land at the convention center several times to drop off food and water. But the rushing crowd forced the choppers to back off. Troopers then tossed the supplies to the crowd from 10 feet off the ground and flew away.
In hopes of defusing the situation at the convention center, Mayor Ray Nagin gave the refugees permission to march across a bridge to the city's unflooded west bank for whatever relief they could find. But the bedlam made that difficult.
"This is a desperate SOS," Nagin said in a statement. "Right now we are out of resources at the convention center and don't anticipate enough buses."
At least seven bodies were scattered outside the convention center, a makeshift staging area for those rescued from rooftops, attics and highways. The sidewalks were packed with people without food, water or medical care, and with no sign of law enforcement.
An old man in a chaise lounge lay dead in a grassy median as hungry babies wailed around him. Around the corner, an elderly woman lay dead in her wheelchair, covered up by a blanket, and another body lay beside her wrapped in a sheet.
"I don't treat my dog like that," 47-year-old Daniel Edwards said as he pointed at the woman in the wheelchair.
"You can do everything for other countries, but you can't do nothing for your own people," he added. "You can go overseas with the military, but you can't get them down here."
The street outside the center, above the floodwaters, smelled of urine and feces, and was choked with dirty diapers, old bottles and garbage.
"They've been teasing us with buses for four days," Edwards said. "They're telling us they're going to come get us one day, and then they don't show up."
Every so often, an armored state police vehicle cruised in front of the convention center with four or five officers in riot gear with automatic weapons. But there was no sign of help from the National Guard.
At one point the crowd began to chant "We want help! We want help!" Later, a woman, screaming, went on the front steps of the convention center and led the crowd in reciting the 23rd Psalm, "The Lord is my shepherd ..."
"We are out here like pure animals," the Issac Clark said.
"We've got people dying out here - two babies have died, a woman died, a man died," said Helen Cheek. "We haven't had no food, we haven't had no water, we haven't had nothing. They just brought us here and dropped us."
Tourist Debbie Durso of Washington, Mich., said she asked a police officer for assistance and his response was, "'Go to hell - it's every man for himself.'"
"This is just insanity," she said. "We have no food, no water ... all these trucks and buses go by and they do nothing but wave."
FEMA director Michael Brown said the agency just learned about the situation at the convention center Thursday and quickly scrambled to provide food, water and medical care and remove the corpses.
Speaking on CNN's "Larry King Live," Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said the evacuation of New Orleans should be completed by the end of the weekend.
At the hot and stinking Superdome, where 30,000 were being evacuated by bus to the Houston Astrodome, fistfights and fires erupted amid a seething sea of tense, suffering people who waited in a lines that stretched a half-mile to board yellow school buses.
After a traffic jam kept buses from arriving for nearly four hours, a near-riot broke out in the scramble to get on the buses that finally did show up, with a group of refugees breaking through a line of heavily armed National Guardsmen.
One military policeman was shot in the leg as he and a man scuffled for the MP's rifle, police Capt. Ernie Demmo said. The man was arrested.
Some of those among the mostly poor crowd had been in the dome for four days without air conditioning, working toilets or a place to bathe. An ambulance service airlifting the sick and injured out of the Superdome suspended flights as too dangerous after it was reported that a bullet was fired at a military helicopter.
"If they're just taking us anywhere, just anywhere, I say praise God," said refugee John Phillip. "Nothing could be worse than what we've been through."
By Thursday evening, 11 hours after the military began evacuating the Superdome, the arena held 10,000 more people than it did at dawn. National Guard Capt. John Pollard said evacuees from around the city poured into the Superdome and swelled the crowd to about 30,000 because they believed the arena was the best place to get a ride out of town.
As he watched a line snaking for blocks through ankle-deep waters, New Orleans' emergency operations chief Terry Ebbert blamed the inadequate response on the Federal Emergency Management Agency.
"This is not a FEMA operation. I haven't seen a single FEMA guy," he said. He added: "We can send massive amounts of aid to tsunami victims, but we can't bail out the city of New Orleans."
FEMA officials said some operations had to be suspended in areas where gunfire has broken out, but are working overtime to feed people and restore order.
A day after Nagin took 1,500 police officers off search-and-rescue duty to try to restore order in the streets, there were continued reports of looting, shootings, gunfire and carjackings - and not all the crimes were driven by greed.
When some hospitals try to airlift patients, Coast Guard Lt. Cmdr. Cheri Ben-Iesan said, "there are people just taking potshots at police and at helicopters, telling them, `You better come get my family.'"
Outside a looted Rite-Aid drugstore, some people were anxious to show they needed what they were taking. A gray-haired man who would not give his name pulled up his T-shirt to show a surgery scar and explained that he needs pads for incontinence.
"I'm a Christian. I feel bad going in there," he said.
Earl Baker carried toothpaste, toothbrushes and deodorant. "Look, I'm only getting necessities," he said. "All of this is personal hygiene. I ain't getting nothing to get drunk or high with."
Several thousand storm victims had arrived in Houston by Thursday night, and they quickly got hot meals, showers and some much-needed rest.
Audree Lee, 37, was thrilled after getting a shower and hearing her teenage daughter's voice on the telephone for the first time since the storm. Lee had relatives take her daughter to Alabama so she would be safe.
"I just cried. She cried. We cried together," Lee said. "She asked me about her dog. They wouldn't let me take her dog with me. ... I know the dog is gone now."
While floodwaters in the city appeared to stabilize, efforts continued to plug three breaches that had opened up in the levee system that protects this below-sea-level city.
Helicopters dropped sandbags into the breach and pilings were being pounded into the mouth of the canal Thursday to close its connection to Lake Pontchartrain, state Transportation Secretary Johnny Bradberry said. The next step called for using about 250 concrete road barriers to seal the gap.
In Washington, the White House said Bush will tour the devastated Gulf Coast region on Friday and has asked his father, former President George H.W. Bush, and former President Clinton to lead a private fund-raising campaign for victims.
The president urged a crackdown on the lawlessness.
LiLiaN
09-02-2005, 03:52 PM
It's already in global news!! Spinning the globe....the agony of disaster's victims. Meanwhile, Bush is entertaining with his guitar!! :mad:hey, during disaster time, if britney spears perform, she's uplifting the mood...
if bush played guitar, he's a blardy a***ole... double standard...
WitchKing
09-02-2005, 07:24 PM
Is it just me, or is it just African Americans that are seemingly not getting quick enuff assistance for this disaster?
Hisham
09-02-2005, 07:45 PM
hey, during disaster time, if britney spears perform, she's uplifting the mood...
if bush played guitar, he's a blardy a***ole... double standard...
Well, to be fair no one except 13 year olds and dirty 60 year olds expect Britney Spears to perform one way or another.
Bush however is POTUS. Expectations on his office to handle the situation would be high by the citizens of the US. Sidney Blumenthal has already revealed to the public (http://rogermckenzie.blogspot.com/2005/09/katrina-comes-home-to-roost-guardian.html) that:
A year ago the US army corps of engineers proposed to study how New Orleans could be protected from a catastrophic hurricane, but the Bush administration ordered that the research not be undertaken. After a flood killed six people in 1995, the Congress created the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project. Operated by the corps of engineers, levees and pumping stations were strengthened and renovated. In 2001, when George Bush became president, the Federal Emergency Management Agency issued a report stating that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the three most likely potential disasters - after a terrorist attack on New York City. But by 2003 the federal funding essentially dried up as it was drained into the Iraq war. By 2004, the Bush administration cut the corps of engineers' request for holding back the waters of Lake Pontchartrain by more than 80%. By the beginning of this year, the administration's additional cuts, reduced by 44% since 2001, forced the corps to impose a hiring freeze. The Senate debated adding funds for fixing levees, but it was too late.
Yes, ladies and gentlemen. The Iraq invasion indirectly caused the levees to break, turning New Orleans into a lake, causing deaths of many there.
Because of his guitar antics while people were dying in New Orleans (http://www.boingboing.net/2005/08/31/_a_tale_of_two_photo.html) he's had a lot of flak from his own citizens.
Another Fark quote:
2005-09-02 07:20:33 AM Clavis
I don't mean to Bush-bash (and what does "Bush-bash" mean, anyway, other than "your criticism isn't valid because you're only doing it to fit in"?). I look to our President to provide gravitas and comfort during a time like this.
But with Bush, it seems like no matter what subject he's discussing, by the end of the press conference, he's rolled out that hand and that smirk and that eyebrow, and he's bringing up subjects with that laugh in his voice, as if to say, "Now, don't you worry your pretty little heads none... ole Georgie's got it taken care of..." I find it patronizing and infuriatingly inappropriate at times.
Blow it out your ass if you don't like me expressing my opinion. Don't call it "Bush-bashing" just so you can categorize and dismiss me and then wring your hands about how this thread has degenerated into politics.
I'm not bashing him because he's a Republican or a conservative. I'm holding him to a high standard because he's the freakin' President of the United States of America. Bush has consistently failed to meet those high standards, and I'm simply not optimistic about this time around.
Bush seems to be living on borrowed time it seems, as far as politics is concerned.
NHLee
09-02-2005, 07:49 PM
Is it just me, or is it just African Americans that are seemingly not getting quick enuff assistance for this disaster?
The prejudice towards the US blacks has their history even before Martin Luther King's time. That was why Cassius Clay (Mohd Ali) threw his 1960 Olympic gold medal into the Ohio river because he was asked to leave the restaurant runs by the white and also his refusal to enlist in Vietnam War!! He is a true spirit boxer. He said, " I owe these people (the Vietnamese) nothing. So, I don't go to their country and kill their people!!"
NHLee
09-02-2005, 07:51 PM
Bush is a dreamer ever his his second administration term starts. Just enjoying comfortable life with his dog in the white house!! Better starts to think of major answers for his people someday!!
in the meantime, those poor people in New Orleans. the scenario again, could have been worst. Lake Ponchartrain is relatively "clean". if it has been the gulf pouring into the big bowl that is New Orleans, the ramifications of environmental cleanup will be compounded even more - because of the pollutants like lead, mercury and other bad bad stuff we happily throw in the water. Lake Ponchartrain will only bring in snakes and gators...
Hisham
09-03-2005, 11:00 AM
10 Mind-Numbingly Stupid Quotes About Hurricane Katrina And Its Aftermath
10) "I have not heard a report of thousands of people in the convention center who don't have food and water." –Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, on NPR's "All Things Considered," Sept. 1, 2005
9) "We just learned of the convention center – we being the federal government – today." –FEMA Director Michael Brown, to ABC's Ted Koppel, Sept. 1, 2005, to which Koppel responded " Don't you guys watch television? Don't you guys listen to the radio? Our reporters have been reporting on it for more than just today."
8) "...those who are stranded, who chose not to evacuate, who chose not to leave the city..." –FEMA Director Michael Brown, on New Orleans residents who could not evacuate because they were too poor and lacked the means to leave, CNN interview, Sept.1, 2005
7) "Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job." –President Bush, to FEMA director Michael Brown, while touring Hurricane-ravaged Mississippi, Sept. 2, 2005
6) "Last night, we showed you the full force of a superpower government going to the rescue." –MSNBC's Chris Matthews, Sept. 1, 2005
5) "You simply get chills every time you see these poor individuals...many of these people, almost all of them that we see are so poor and they are so black, and this is going to raise lots of questions for people who are watching this story unfold." --CNN's Wolf Blitzer, on New Orleans' hurricane refugees, Sept. 1, 2005
4) "It makes no sense to spend billions of dollars to rebuild a city that's seven feet under sea level....It looks like a lot of that place could be bulldozed." –House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.), Aug. 31, 2005
3) "We've got a lot of rebuilding to do ... The good news is — and it's hard for some to see it now — that out of this chaos is going to come a fantastic Gulf Coast, like it was before. Out of the rubbles of Trent Lott's house — he's lost his entire house — there's going to be a fantastic house. And I'm looking forward to sitting on the porch." (Laughter) —President Bush, touring hurricane damage, Mobile, Ala., Sept. 2, 2005
2) "Thank President Clinton and former President Bush for their strong statements of support and comfort today. I thank all the leaders that are coming to Louisiana, and Mississippi and Alabama to our help and rescue. We are grateful for the military assets that are being brought to bear. I want to thank Senator Frist and Senator Reid for their extraordinary efforts. Anderson, tonight, I don't know if you've heard – maybe you all have announced it -- but Congress is going to an unprecedented session to pass a $10 billion supplemental bill tonight to keep FEMA and the Red Cross up and operating." –Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-LA), to CNN's Anderson Cooper, Aug. 31, 2005, to which Cooper responded:
"I haven't heard that, because, for the last four days, I've been seeing dead bodies in the streets here in Mississippi. And to listen to politicians thanking each other and complimenting each other, you know, I got to tell you, there are a lot of people here who are very upset, and very angry, and very frustrated. And when they hear politicians slap – you know, thanking one another, it just, you know, it kind of cuts them the wrong way right now, because literally there was a body on the streets of this town yesterday being eaten by rats because this woman had been laying in the street for 48 hours. And there's not enough facilities to take her up. Do you get the anger that is out here?"
1) "I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees." –President Bush, on "Good Morning America," Sept. 1, 2005, six days after repeated warnings from experts about the scope of damage expected from Hurricane Katrina
From this page with links to source (http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/currentevents/a/katrinaquotes.htm)
yee keong
09-03-2005, 12:12 PM
it's the blacks who are facing the brunt of the hurricane. so what if help comes a little late....
-tat is how US is treating New Orleans
Voon Chan
09-03-2005, 12:14 PM
it's the blacks who are facing the brunt of the hurricane. so what if help comes a little late....
-tat is how US is treating New OrleansI share the same view YK
Sad case in the US
Equality? I don't think so
vicky boy
09-03-2005, 12:34 PM
y humans are like that... just know how to say something bad bout someone or something??? dun u all think it is so inmature? onli know how to complain and own self is not doing anything... when the particular person did something good... ppl will just ya ya ya he did good... but when things are done badly fingers starts pointing and rumours starts spreading....
am a simple person, and i am very self contain... not that i dun bother bout things around but it is just different... do u think by speaking more negatives will improve a situation??? i dun think so.... possitive will always leads to success not a negative suggestion.
yee keong
09-03-2005, 12:49 PM
i remain that covering your eyes with only good things will only lead to more disaster later on, while looking at bad things only will drag you down a never-ending spiral. however, whenever something happens, pls do look at both side of the picture, the pros and the cons.
look at the most recent disaster that hit US before this hurricane....9/11...
how fast did aid come in and how fast did everyone pulled themselves back together? why isn't it the same in New Orleans...i would like to know a positive answer to that...
vicky boy
09-03-2005, 12:51 PM
just like ur signature yk... just like ur signature...........
yee keong
09-03-2005, 12:58 PM
??? totally dun understand your answer!!
[f]ish
09-03-2005, 12:59 PM
just like ur signature yk... just like ur signature...........
what's wrong with his signature?
[f]ish
09-03-2005, 01:02 PM
y humans are like that... just know how to say something bad bout someone or something??? dun u all think it is so inmature? onli know how to complain and own self is not doing anything... when the particular person did something good... ppl will just ya ya ya he did good... but when things are done badly fingers starts pointing and rumours starts spreading....
am a simple person, and i am very self contain... not that i dun bother bout things around but it is just different... do u think by speaking more negatives will improve a situation??? i dun think so.... possitive will always leads to success not a negative suggestion.
vic, i think yk is trying to say his opinion based on what we all can see now that's happening in that disaster area.. whether it's true or not no one knows.. but still it's up to discussion..
eerr, but i still dun quite understand ur post.. how it's related to that disaster situation? who is blaming who? who is pointing finger at who?
vicky boy
09-03-2005, 01:06 PM
ish']vic, i think yk is trying to say his opinion based on what we all can see now that's happening in that disaster area.. whether it's true or not no one knows.. but still it's up to discussion..
eerr, but i still dun quite understand ur post.. how it's related to that disaster situation? who is blaming who? who is pointing finger at who?
i am not talking bout katrina... am just talking c*** in general..... mind me....????
[f]ish
09-03-2005, 01:09 PM
i am not talking bout katrina... am just talking c*** in general..... mind me....????
oh ok. i was just too focusing on this Katrina issue until i thot what are u talking about.. kinda weird cause it's already 1 am.. if it's early morning i might understand lah.. haha..
vicky boy
09-03-2005, 01:12 PM
ish']oh ok. i was just too focusing on this Katrina issue until i thot what are u talking about.. kinda weird cause it's already 1 am.. if it's early morning i might understand lah.. haha..
1 pm ts..... u blur or i blur???
yee keong
09-03-2005, 01:13 PM
exactly what i'm referring to...a post totally out of the blue...
anyway, my first post about the blacks in here is to bring up a point about the US people...big fat hypocrite..not all, but the top people... they spend so much to go to war in Agfanistan, Iraq, wherever else in the world, and yet when their own country have problems, the money seems to be moving slower than usual, and need to bring fund raisers like Clinton. Clinton, for all that he's worth (screwing interns and all ;) ) he's a damn good fund raiser...but why so late when the Hurricane Katrina is already known to hit New Orleans? the data that they received about when and when it's gonna hit has already been known, and yet they do not anticipate that these type of things would happen? why deploy the FEMA after hit and not before? why the hell they anticipate that Saddam has WMD with all their intelligence network, and yet the very same network cannot anticapate the same problems with the problems they face now? double standard? or he's just overlooked it?
everyone has their good points, but they also have their bad points. US is a nice country, with nice people there too. it's just that they voted for monkeys to rule the place...
[f]ish
09-03-2005, 01:15 PM
1 pm ts..... u blur or i blur???
well i was just trying to test u there. seems like u aren't blur at all. ok good.. good.. :laugh:
vicky boy
09-03-2005, 01:15 PM
exactly what i'm referring to...a post totally out of the blue...
anyway, my first post about the blacks in here is to bring up a point about the US people...big fat hypocrite..not all, but the top people... they spend so much to go to war in Agfanistan, Iraq, wherever else in the world, and yet when their own country have problems, the money seems to be moving slower than usual, and need to bring fund raisers like Clinton. Clinton, for all that he's worth (screwing interns and all ;) ) he's a damn good fund raiser...but why so late when the Hurricane Katrina is already known to hit New Orleans? the data that they received about when and when it's gonna hit has already been known, and yet they do not anticipate that these type of things would happen? why deploy the FEMA after hit and not before? why the hell they anticipate that Saddam has WMD with all their intelligence network, and yet the very same network cannot anticapate the same problems with the problems they face now? double standard? or he's just overlooked it?
everyone has their good points, but they also have their bad points. US is a nice country, with nice people there too. it's just that they voted for monkeys to rule the place...
so Bush is one of the monkeys u mean????
vicky boy
09-03-2005, 01:16 PM
ish']well i was just trying to test u there. seems like u aren't blur at all. ok good.. good.. :laugh:
ok time to go....... dun work too hard....
off topic a while:
steven is around.... was out with him last nite and he is staying in my place... wanna go for pool tomolo nite then can meet up... ok...... call me....
[f]ish
09-03-2005, 01:19 PM
ok time to go....... dun work too hard....
off topic a while:
steven is around.... was out with him last nite and he is staying in my place... wanna go for pool tomolo nite then can meet up... ok...... call me....
yes yes. he called me this morning..
tomorrow night we go for dinner then follow by pool session k.. alright..
yee keong
09-03-2005, 01:57 PM
so Bush is one of the monkeys u mean????
One Monkey to rule them all!!
Lava Gal
09-03-2005, 02:17 PM
The prejudice towards the US blacks has their history even before Martin Luther King's time. That was why Cassius Clay (Mohd Ali) threw his 1960 Olympic gold medal into the Ohio river because he was asked to leave the restaurant runs by the white and also his refusal to enlist in Vietnam War!! He is a true spirit boxer. He said, " I owe these people (the Vietnamese) nothing. So, I don't go to their country and kill their people!!"
ah...wish more ppl wud think like him!!!
Lava Gal
09-03-2005, 02:20 PM
I share the same view YK
Sad case in the US
Equality? I don't think so
onli in US no equality ka? double standards exist almost everywhere....as long as u are on planet earth!
btw....the direction of this discussion....shudnt this be in underground :eek: MODS?>??
Lava Gal
09-03-2005, 02:29 PM
ish']vic, i think yk is trying to say his opinion based on what we all can see now that's happening in that disaster area.. whether it's true or not no one knows.. but still it's up to discussion..
eerr, but i still dun quite understand ur post.. how it's related to that disaster situation? who is blaming who? who is pointing finger at who?
well welll...when u r pointing 1 finger at another, 3 others are pointing at u!! :eek:
so....beware of criticising b4 evaluating ourselves :)
anyway....it all depend lar, whether ppl choose to look at something/someone with rose-tinted glasses or black-tinted glasses...and as long as their mindset is STUCK in one direction...prejudice prevails...sad huh! but guess tatz life...full of unfairness...up to us to make d best of it!
back to topic--> same goes to Katrina victims...
LiLiaN
09-03-2005, 03:57 PM
i think there is something seriously wrong with the current rate that aids are coming in to NO...
afterall, US managed to get so many troops in iraq at one go...
why not something like this, enough man power to deliver aid to NO immediately...
Lava Gal
09-03-2005, 04:34 PM
need UN to come for help??
Hisham
09-03-2005, 07:33 PM
i think there is something seriously wrong with the current rate that aids are coming in to NO...
afterall, US managed to get so many troops in iraq at one go...
why not something like this, enough man power to deliver aid to NO immediately...
That's why a lot of people are calling for FEMA Director Michael Brown's head on a platter. 2 days after we read about the dehydration & sanitation problems about the Superbowl, he goes ahead and claims on record that he just heard about it.
2005-09-02 08:19:01 PM faethe
From reading almost everything that has come out about this, and listening to my local commentators, this is what it comes down to.
You all are aware that FEMA and homeland security merged, right?
You are NOT allowed into New orleans unless you have the proper paperwork filled out and a purchase order. Remember when they held up the ports pottys a few days ago? This is why.
Every 'vendor' and 'contractor' servicing the storm, needs authorization. If they do not have authorixation, they will not let you in.
This is why they turned away 500 Air boats that left from Florida in a Floatilla 3 days ago. I am perfectly serious. The guy heading that org was on the air here today in Orlando loosing his mind.
Other contractors I have heard from have said the same. They have not been permitted to service New Orleans for food or anything else.
If you wanted to pick up your mother from inside New orleans right now, they would not let you in.
These people are dying because of paperwork. I am being perfectly serious.
LiLiaN
09-03-2005, 07:54 PM
i'm just so disheartened to read all these reports...
Lava Gal
09-03-2005, 08:00 PM
:( :( :(
plenty more examples of how the US gov has f**ked this up big time too. and it's not the first time. there was the great mississippi river flood in 1927 - again blacks were the majority of the 1 million displaced victims. whites were airlifted but not blacks, in regions of alabama, if i am not mistaken.
how far has the country come in almost 70 years? if we look at hurricane Katrina's aftermath, not far at all. when the president can sit and smile and laugh at devastation, because the majority of those affected are not whites?? that's the only reason i can think of, unless he actually is so stupid as to think that thousands of deaths within his own country's borders caused by natural disaster is OK!!
i believe in the goodness of people, but this is ridiculous!! :mad:
ooops i lied - they probably were not airlifted in 1927 but they were rescued nonetheless, leaving the poor black folk to survive living on top of a levee, river to one side, flood waters to another...
NHLee
09-05-2005, 12:07 PM
Bush seems to wake up now!!
NHLee
09-05-2005, 12:09 PM
One Monkey to rule them all!!
I refers the republican as hawks..Bush, Cheney, and the recent the lady secretary of the state. Also, the Sr. Bush...advisor behind public curtain!!
most of new orleans is black. also, most of the poor people are black in that area. that's probably why most of the refugees are black. i think it's drawing a really long bow to say that the US government is targetting black people. it's just that the poor people found it hard to leave early after the week warning the week before and most of them happened to be black.
most of new orleans is black. also, most of the poor people are black in that area. that's probably why most of the refugees are black. i think it's drawing a really long bow to say that the US government is targetting black people. it's just that the poor people found it hard to leave early after the week warning the week before and most of them happened to be black.
partially true, euj. but early reaction to the devastation from the white house and the federal government causes you to wonder, what if the area had been white? oh my! i believe the reaction would be different. i truly believe that. politicians are patting each other on the back for this that and the other while the poor are dying. not a good picture at all, regardless of the intention.
i refer back to the great mississippi flood of 1927 where it is documented that they LEFT the poor blacks there and rescued the whites. not that different now, methinks... it's just hidden under a layer of political correctness.
Hisham
09-05-2005, 10:51 PM
politicians are patting each other on the back for this that and the other while the poor are dying. not a good picture at all, regardless of the intention.
SENATOR LANDRIEU: Anderson, tonight, I don't know if you've heard -- maybe you all have announced it -- but Congress is going to an unprecedented session to pass a $10 billion supplemental bill tonight to keep FEMA and the Red Cross up and operating.
ANDERSON COOPER: Excuse me, Senator, I'm sorry for interrupting. I haven't heard that, because, for the last four days, I've been seeing dead bodies in the streets here in Mississippi. And to listen to politicians thanking each other and complimenting each other, you know, I got to tell you, there are a lot of people here who are very upset, and very angry, and very frustrated.
And when they hear politicians slap -- you know, thanking one another, it just, you know, it kind of cuts them the wrong way right now, because literally there was a body on the streets of this town yesterday being eaten by rats because this woman had been laying in the street for 48 hours. And there's not enough facilities to take her up.
partially true, euj. but early reaction to the devastation from the white house and the federal government causes you to wonder, what if the area had been white? oh my! i believe the reaction would be different. i truly believe that. politicians are patting each other on the back for this that and the other while the poor are dying. not a good picture at all, regardless of the intention.
i refer back to the great mississippi flood of 1927 where it is documented that they LEFT the poor blacks there and rescued the whites. not that different now, methinks... it's just hidden under a layer of political correctness.
it kinda reminds me of the movie titanic... the 'richer' people get to 'buy' their way to a place in the liveboat while the 'poorer' perished... we should not forget that every life is just as precious and should not be measured in terms of $$$
daBoss
09-05-2005, 10:55 PM
it kinda reminds me of the movie titanic... the 'richer' people get to 'buy' their way to a place in the liveboat while the 'poorer' perished... we should not forget that every life is just as precious and should not be measured in terms of $$$
well, nothing in life is fair... the ones with the most resources get the best opportunities... i don't like it either... but what to do?
well, nothing in life is fair... the ones with the most resources get the best opportunities... i don't like it either... but what to do?
we can try and be aware and have some kind of social conscience. change comes when we all believe!
ok now i'm done being pollyanna, i dunno what anyone can do either. this kind of behaviour goes back to our survival of the fittest stuff i suppose - the fittest being the richest.. :(
we can try and be aware and have some kind of social conscience. change comes when we all believe!
ok now i'm done being pollyanna, i dunno what anyone can do either. this kind of behaviour goes back to our survival of the fittest stuff i suppose - the fittest being the richest.. :(
actually, come to think of it, why should the richest survive? in a social unrest, they're prob be the first to go, coz' what's the use of offering their riches when u can just use force to grab it from them? that's prob wat's would have happened in NO if the rich people had not left in a jiffy...
NHLee
09-07-2005, 12:53 PM
it kinda reminds me of the movie titanic... the 'richer' people get to 'buy' their way to a place in the liveboat while the 'poorer' perished... we should not forget that every life is just as precious and should not be measured in terms of $$$
Racisim is still quite alive over there.
NHLee
09-07-2005, 12:56 PM
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onli in US no equality ka? double standards exist almost everywhere....as long as u are on planet earth!
btw....the direction of this discussion....shudnt this be in underground :eek: MODS?>??
Where got equality but the top always says we live by our constitutions. So, those KKK has their right also lah? (Ku Klux Khan)--white supremacy, Neo-Nazi, whatever!
NHLee
09-07-2005, 12:59 PM
Now, Katrina. Wondering what is next , particularly over the Asian coast coming from South China Sea? :huh:
SS2006
09-07-2005, 01:07 PM
Now, Katrina. Wondering what is next , particularly over the Asian coast coming from South China Sea? :huh:
Typhoon Nabi is on the loose
WitchKing
09-07-2005, 01:53 PM
Typhoon Nabi is on the loose
heck of a name to call a typhoon.
dontbullshit
09-07-2005, 01:56 PM
heck of a name to call a typhoon.
Nabi typhoon itu bukan "Prophet"lahh.. Nabi is a korean word for 'butterfly'. guess the typhoon is not as beautiful as the butterfly horr
NHLee
09-07-2005, 06:24 PM
Typhoon Nabi...Japan sea ..so Japan better get ready to move on!!
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