[closed] more on the reputation system...

[daBoss]

i've compiled answers to some common questions i've been asked:

general
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1. members can see their own reputation status - click on the 'scale' icon on one of your own post
2. members won't know the exact status of other members - they can only see how many green/red 'buttons' other members have - the more the better/worse
3. members can see the comments that other people left for them by going to their control panel - click on 'user cp' on the menu on the top of each page
4. members won't know who left the comments for them (so don't worry, if you like or don't lik a post, feel free to vote)
5. depending on certain criteria (e.g. post count, how long a member has been in the forum, current reputation status of member), the vote of a member carries different weight.
6. when the reputation status of a member goes below 0, the member cannot create new posts - however, the member can still post in existing threads
7. there is no distinction between a mod and a regular member as far as the reputation system is concerned
8. a member cannot continue to vote for another member. e.g. A votes for a post by B. A cannot vote for B until A votes for 20 other members.
9. members cannot vote for their own posts.

why?
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why was this put in place? there are quite a few complaints by members about posts by other members. with this in place, you can leave positive or negative votes for individual posts by other members.

others
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any other questions, please feel free to ask. i can see that quite a few people have already started voting.

[daBoss]

i see that quite a few members have started using the reputation system. very soon you'll start seeing some people with multiple green 'box'es. :)

[vicky boy]

i see that quite a few members have started using the reputation system. very soon you'll start seeing some people with multiple green 'box'es. :)
:( y mine still same since day one???? :sad-2:

[KoChun]

:( y mine still same since day one???? :sad-2:
That's because still got a lot of people have not started using this.

[Lava Gal]

just wondering...is this system working oredy?? as in...i havent seen any1 having anything else than green sq

[KoChun]

just wondering...is this system working oredy?? as in...i havent seen any1 having anything else than green sq
Try going through the Members List from A-Z another time. :cheesy:

[daBoss]

just wondering...is this system working oredy?? as in...i havent seen any1 having anything else than green sq
1. last i checked there was a member with a red box.
2. also, for each 100 points that a member gets, he will get one additional green box... :)

[Lava Gal]

yup...another Q from me...

I have a reputation which says, ur reputation on this post is even :blink:

~what i'm wondering is, how was it possible for someone to rate it as even, when there's just i agree/disagree comments (hhmm...unless 1 person gave 1 red box, which was balanced by an equivalent green box)
is that possible? :unsure:

~Why have a reputation system if the rating is EVEN??...haha :p

[vicky boy]

yup...another Q from me...

I have a reputation which says, ur reputation on this post is even :blink:

~what i'm wondering is, how was it possible for someone to rate it as even, when there's just i agree/disagree comments (hhmm...unless 1 person gave 1 red box, which was balanced by an equivalent green box)
is that possible? :unsure:

~Why have a reputation system if the rating is EVEN??...haha :p
hmmm see if i can unswer u correctly or not....... mod please do correct me if i understand it wrongly....
ur reputation on this post is even means there is no votes on that post or if there is a vote on agree and disagree each. so it is even loh... when not even means there either the agree or disagree vote is higher than the other

hmm.... well different person have different strength of rating... if i voted agree on one post and KoChun Disagree on the same post it will favour more to KoChun vote cos his voting points are higher.... if not mistaken his one vote can make u gain 9 or even lose 9... hahahahaha so dun play play with him.. hahahahahahhaa.... u can check on daBoss explaination on this in Repo system (http://www.acs-sitiawan.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1780)

[Lava Gal]

but then...under user CP, there's a gray box next to the post i mentioned wor...the even reputation 1...tatz what made me confused :wacko:

[shiruikage]

lol, i got 1 bad rep. lol. i think i know who giv one. :sus:

[Lava Gal]

lol, i got 1 bad rep. lol. i think i know who giv one. :sus:
whom do u suspect?

[vicky boy]

oh ok... i get what u mean.... i also got one... maybe is voted one bad and good from a same voting strength person.... hahahahahaa jus a guess..

[Lava Gal]

oh ok... i get what u mean.... i also got one... maybe is voted one bad and good from a same voting strength person.... hahahahahaa jus a guess..
thanks vicks, for helping me to figure out...it remains a mystery still...will wait for a mod to verify our speculations:)

[shiruikage]

whom do u suspect?
cant tell u lar.

[vicky boy]

thanks vicks, for helping me to figure out...it remains a mystery still...will wait for a mod to verify our speculations:)
vicks????? like sweet onli.... not vicks lah.... vic or vicky boy better...

btw i think better get the mods to verufy this.. kekekekeke

[vicky boy]

ok off topic abit ah.... y lava and kage have a resolution at their signature same stlye one ah????

[Lava Gal]

vicks vapourub? :p

[vicky boy]

vicks vapourub? :p
very farny lava....... ha ha ha ha

[shiruikage]

ok off topic abit ah.... y lava and kage have a resolution at their signature same stlye one ah????
lol, for fun lor.

[vicky boy]

lol, for fun lor.
so it is on purpose lah????

[shiruikage]

so it is on purpose lah????
ya, my bad. i tried to make a counter statement with lavanya's signature. :p

[Lava Gal]

Vickyboy...resolutions?? haha...that's the result of freedom of speech...not bad! BBK is quite observant:p

ya, my bad. i tried to make a counter statement with lavanya's signature. :p

which's led me to starting this thread...check it out, Vicky...and tell us ur 2kupang!http://www.acs-sitiawan.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1994

[vicky boy]

wow... u two have nothing to do lah........... nothing to say

[Lava Gal]

wow... u two have nothing to do lah........... nothing to say
:p Lavanya loves a good exchange of thought (@ debate/trash it out), main reason i forum...hehe

[shiruikage]

:p Lavanya loves a good exchange of thought (@ debate/trash it out), main reason i forum...hehe
in other words, she like to argue ur pants off! lol.

[KoChun]

Lavanya, I am not too sure how you got an even rating to a certain post. Maybe daBoss can explain to this.

Vic, your explanations on the point is almost all correct. By the way, how you know my vote contributes 9 points? I am not sure about that.

[vicky boy]

Lavanya, I am not too sure how you got an even rating to a certain post. Maybe daBoss can explain to this.

Vic, your explanations on the point is almost all correct. By the way, how you know my vote contributes 9 points? I am not sure about that.
emm..... in boss post got explain mah... so i calculate is almost there... now u almost reach 10k.... there already got 10points already.........

[KoChun]

emm..... in boss post got explain mah... so i calculate is almost there... now u almost reach 10k.... there already got 10points already.........
Nope, I was not referring to that, vic. Nevermind lah...

[daBoss]

lavanya,

you got an even vote because the person who gave you a vote did not have enough 'power' to give you any points (either positive or negative) yet. that's why its a grey box. :)

[daBoss]

.... if not mistaken his one vote can make u gain 9 or even lose 9...
vicky boy, this is not correct... negative voting power is half of positive voting power...

e.g. kochun gives you a +ve vote now, you get 9 or 10 points... if he gives you a negative vote now, you get -4 or -5 points...

[Voon Chan]

Will there be any random review of members voting by the Moderators
This will see that there will be no abuse especially negative vote

daBoss, I will be waiting for you reply on this
Thank you

[Lava Gal]

hhmm...daboss, does tat means u need some "power" to give vote?? watz basic requirement..i thought as long as u have a green box, can vote :confused:

[KoChun]

lavanya, I hope this helps.

your forum status criteria is as below:

Default Reputation: 10
What reputation level shall new users receive upon registration? Make sure that you have a reputation level that is at least equal to or less than this value.

Register Date Factor: 365
For every X number of days, users gain 1 point of reputation-altering power.

Post Count Factor: 1000
For every X number of posts, users gain 1 point of reputation-
altering power.

Reputation Point Factor: 100
For every X points of reputation, users gain 1 point of reputation-altering power.

Minimum Post Count: 50
How many posts must a user have before his reputation hits count on others?

Minimum Reputation Count: 10
How much reputation must a user have before his reputation hits count on others?

Daily Reputation Clicks Limit: 10
How many reputation clicks can a user give over each 24 hour period?

Reputation User Spread: 10
How many different users must you give reputation to before you can hit the same person again?

Feel free to ask any questions. :)

[Lava Gal]

now i understand! if i have <50, yet i give reputations...will it become green when my count >50??
hhmm...i guess answer is NO rite :p ...did i just ask a stupid Q

[KoChun]

now i understand! if i have <50, yet i give reputations...will it become green when my count >50??
hhmm...i guess answer is NO rite :p ...did i just ask a stupid Q
You've just asked a very good (but kind of funny) question. I am not too sure on this too, but I guess the answer is NO too. :)

Btw, it will only turn green when it is very angry. You wouldn't like me when I am angry. Sounds familiar?

[Lava Gal]

i see green....as in jealousy;) haha..yup, familiar!

[KoChun]

i see green....as in jealousy;) haha..yup, familiar!
Red is anger/rage. Isn't it worse?

[Lava Gal]

yellow = nationalism
white = purity / peace
blue = tranquility

purple = (i dunno how true tis is,..some fren told me la) sexual deprivation!

[daBoss]

Will there be any random review of members voting by the Moderators
This will see that there will be no abuse especially negative vote

daBoss, I will be waiting for you reply on this
Thank you
hi voon chan, i do check once in a while... :) so far many have started using the rep system... i don't see any abuses...

[daBoss]

now i understand! if i have <50, yet i give reputations...will it become green when my count >50??
hhmm...i guess answer is NO rite :p ...did i just ask a stupid Q
kochun is right... the answer is NO...

1. if you have less than 50 posts, you can still vote but you vote won't count... the person you voted for can still see your comments though...
2. it's the same if you have less than 10 points - you can still vote but your vote won't count...

everyone starts with 10 points. if you have posted badly and have less than 10 points, your votes won't count against others even if you have more than 50 posts...

[vicky boy]

vicky boy, this is not correct... negative voting power is half of positive voting power...

e.g. kochun gives you a +ve vote now, you get 9 or 10 points... if he gives you a negative vote now, you get -4 or -5 points...
oh... now i see.. hehehehehehehehhehehehehhehee.... i only used once so now i will start using it.... hehehehehhehehehee

[KoChun]

oh... now i see.. hehehehehehehehhehehehehhehee.... i only used once so now i will start using it.... hehehehehhehehehee
Good, start using it when you feel like approving/disapproving a post. No need to think too much.

For a start, you can approve my post and I can tell you how 'powerful' you are. :p

[Voon Chan]

hi voon chan, i do check once in a while... :) so far many have started using the rep system... i don't see any abuses...Thank you. It is just for my own info

[Sila]

quick question on the reputation system: is there a way for a user to see the reputation points that they have given to folks, whether it be approve/disapprove? this will help, i think, because i've found myself unable to make changes to reputations because i have to do changes to more people's reputations before i can come back to that particular person. i totally understand why you have created the spreads, but can i see a record of the reputation changes i've made so i'll know how many other people's reps i have to "mess" with before i can come back to a particular user?

thanks! :)

[LiLiaN]

hi sila, i've been away so hasn't got time to check everything but i believe the current system is set that you can give reputation back to the same user only after you've been assessing another 10 other users...

[shiruikage]

hi sila, i've been away so hasn't got time to check everything but i believe the current system is set that you can give reputation back to the same user only after you've been assessing another 10 other users...
lilian, where u now? r u okay?

[LiLiaN]

lilian, where u now? r u okay?Back in Dublin, safe and sound, I flew via Amsterdam...

[Lava Gal]

oh lilian...glad u are safe & sound :)

[Lava Gal]

What if u give someone a green card...then b4 reaching ur 10 other people quota...u find that same person have stated something not so reputable, and would like to give a red card...but cant *frust* coz u have to spread ur reputation around 1st :huh:

daboss & MODs!! izit possible that our meritting/demeritting are counted as 2 separate entities...there would be no abuse coz i cant give someone green/red too often still..do consider it! tanx:)

[shiruikage]

What if u give someone a green card...then b4 reaching ur 10 other people quota...u find that same person have stated something not so reputable, and would like to give a red card...but cant *frust* coz u have to spread ur reputation around 1st :huh:

daboss & MODs!! izit possible that our meritting/demeritting are counted as 2 separate entities...there would be no abuse coz i cant give someone green/red too often still..do consider it! tanx:)
lol, i've asked this question too before in this thread. and i beliv they answered that u will have to spread it out. how do u think we got it down from 20 to just 10? just hantam random rep ppl lor.

[KoChun]

What if u give someone a green card...then b4 reaching ur 10 other people quota...u find that same person have stated something not so reputable, and would like to give a red card...but cant *frust* coz u have to spread ur reputation around 1st :huh:

daboss & MODs!! izit possible that our meritting/demeritting are counted as 2 separate entities...there would be no abuse coz i cant give someone green/red too often still..do consider it! tanx:)
We do not see the need to implement that right now, lavanya. I am not too sure whether it is possible to seperate them. Got to wait for daBoss to revert on this.

[LiLiaN]

just hantam random rep ppl lor.sounds like potential abuse of the system.... :sus:

[Lava Gal]

do consider it...coz it'll be not so fair to simply spread points to get at someone, right?;)

[Lava Gal]

sounds like potential abuse of the system.... :sus:
potential? haha....i believe it has already begun!

[KoChun]

do consider it...coz it'll be not so fair to simply spread points to get at someone, right?;)
There is no perfect system in the world, dear. Just live with it and have fun approving/disapproving posts. Reputation spread: 10 is so much better than 20, I tell you.

Anyway, the mods do not see the needs to implement that right now. :)

[shiruikage]

sounds like potential abuse of the system.... :sus:
lilian, its the oni way to giv 2 reps points for the same person. granted, its an 'abuse', but at least the others will gets points too rite? not legitimate, but points nevertheless.

[KoChun]

potential? haha....i believe it has already begun!
It will not go unpunished, I assure you. We are watching and we know what is going on. ;)

[LiLiaN]

hey shiru, noted your signature... doesn't look good there....

[Lava Gal]

There is no perfect system in the world, dear. Just live with it and have fun approving/disapproving posts. Reputation spread: 10 is so much better than 20, I tell you.
Anyway, the mods do not see the needs to implement that right now. :)
yup i agree with it:)

of course living with it now la...haha...just suggesting ma..cannot ar:p

[shiruikage]

hey shiru, noted your signature... doesn't look good there....
lol, finally. noted and taken care off. experiment successful. :)

[Lava Gal]

It will not go unpunished, I assure you. We are watching and we know what is going on. ;)
CSI in action ;)

[KoChun]

yup i agree with it:)

of course living with it now la...haha...just suggesting ma..cannot ar:p
Of course can. :)

Appreciate your feedback and we've put it in our KIV tray. Assure you all suggestions and feedback are noted.

[LiLiaN]

lol, finally. noted and taken care off. experiment successful. :)what experiment..? to check my sanity...? :laugh:

[LiLiaN]

by the way, you using some sort of translator..? the grammar doesn't make too much sense....

[Lava Gal]

lol, finally. noted and taken care off. experiment successful. :)
i realized the sentence just now was longer....some kind of teasing lilian ah...wat was it all about neway;)i kepoh abit ya

[shiruikage]

by the way, you using some sort of translator..? the grammar doesn't make too much sense....
:( wat to do? babelfish can oni do so much, and french is as alien as urdu to me. help me correct it?

what experiment..? to check my sanity...?
no lar. to see if anybody is reading the fine prints. coz last time, lavanya took soooo long to realise i've hijacked her signature.

[shiruikage]

i realized the sentence just now was longer....some kind of teasing lilian ah...wat was it all about neway;)i kepoh abit ya
my fav profanity in french by the man with the girly name, merovingian. :laugh:

[KoChun]

Guys, this is Suggestions and Feedback forum. Try not to chat here, okay? If want to chat, please go to general forums and I shall chat with you till tomorrow morning. :p

[Lava Gal]

coz last time, lavanya took soooo long to realise i've hijacked her signature.
wei! kutuk me arrr:p
how long after u hijacked did i realize lar? was it realli that long arh

[Lava Gal]

ooppss...sorry Kura-kura boss!! :squeeze: i'm outta here now..lets go chat in nother thread ya

[KoChun]

ooppss...sorry Kura-kura boss!! :squeeze: i'm outta here now..lets go chat in nother thread ya
lavanya, please reduce you signature font size immediately!!!

[Lava Gal]

mistake!! oops...wanted to reduce...terbesar! :wacko:

[LiLiaN]

agree with kochun, please keep the thread clean... (and sorry for my diversion, just a bit blur after the long flight)....

[Sila]

hi sila, i've been away so hasn't got time to check everything but i believe the current system is set that you can give reputation back to the same user only after you've been assessing another 10 other users...
is there a way that we can see a list of the people we've assessed? so i can tell if i have 3 more assessments before i can get back to a particular user, or 5 or 8 or whatever?

[KoChun]

is there a way that we can see a list of the people we've assessed? so i can tell if i have 3 more assessments before i can get back to a particular user, or 5 or 8 or whatever?
Not that I know of now. Don't think so, but I will try to look around to see whether I can discover anymore secrets. :cheesy:

[Sila]

Not that I know of now. Don't think so, but I will try to look around to see whether I can discover anymore secrets. :cheesy:
thanks kochun!! :laugh:

[Lava Gal]

actually was wondering bout same thing sila has asked above....so kochun, found out the secret yet??

[KoChun]

actually was wondering bout same thing sila has asked above....so kochun, found out the secret yet??
Unable to do that, Lava. You have to try and hope that the system does not reject you.

[Odysseus]

I you already 'jammed' with giving to the same person too often, spread it to me and Zazu la.... sure, will fix your problem la..

[Voon Chan]

I just checked my CP, I realised that I have "a grey" colour vote.
Not red or green.
Can someone tell me what is it?

[KoChun]

I just checked my CP, I realised that I have "a grey" colour vote.
Not red or green.
Can someone tell me what is it?
It means you are colour blind. Muahahaha... just joking.

When a member with less than 50 posts casts a vote, that vote it insignificant. That's why you get a grey colour reputation vote. It does not matter whether it is a positive or negative vote, it will not count.

[Voon Chan]

It means you are colour blind. Muahahaha... just joking.

When a member with than 50 posts casts a vote, that vote it insignificant. That's why you get a grey colour reputation vote. It does not matter whether it is a positive or negative vote, it will not count.You are a joker.

Thank you for your explanation.

Now, I know that I must have 50 postings before I can vote.(I think I should have)

[KoChun]

Btw, VC, this was posted by daBoss when he enabled the reputation system.

Minimum Post Count: 50
How many posts must a user have before his reputation hits count on others?

[KoChun]

You are a joker.

Thank you for your explanation.

Now, I know that I must have 50 postings before I can vote.(I think I should have)
Yeah, you've got slightly more than 50 posts, so your vote counts. :p

[Voon Chan]

Btw, VC, this was posted by daBoss when he enabled the reputation system.That goes to show that I have failed to read it properly. My mistake

[Lava Gal]

i asked the same Q about gray matter long long time ago too, VC

Yeah, you've got slightly more than 50 posts, so your vote counts. :p

Now, I know that I must have 50 postings before I can vote.(I think I should have)
:huh:

well well....VC, seems like KC not the onli joker around! U ARE TOOO..! :sus:

[Voon Chan]

:huh:

well well....VC, seems like KC not the onli joker around! U ARE TOOO..! :sus:Oh I see, KC, VC both end with "C"

[vicky boy]

That goes to show that I have failed to read it properly. My mistake
aiyo yo............ one of the top post miss a line.......... but giving votes are tirin.... i think i wanna make a list so that i wont lost count......

can i suggest that i can check my votes out... the last 10-15 person.. so that i dont keep hitting the same person and prompt up please spread ur votes around before voting for NAME......

[KoChun]

can i suggest that i can check my votes out... the last 10-15 person.. so that i dont keep hitting the same person and prompt up please spread ur votes around before voting for NAME......
Negative, unable to comply.

[vicky boy]

Negative, unable to comply.
:( ok... accepted...

[Lava Gal]

Oh I see, KC, VC both end with "C"
OIC...a sea of C? So all those with Cs...are jokers!?? :p

aiyo yo............ one of the top post miss a line.......... but giving votes are tirin.... i think i wanna make a list so that i wont lost count......

can i suggest that i can check my votes out... the last 10-15 person.. so that i dont keep hitting the same person and prompt up please spread ur votes around before voting for NAME......
to err is human...;)

i agree wif VB
mods & admins - can we have a system to check who we've repo-ed recently?

please spread ur votes around before voting for NAME...does that pop-up make u more tired & drained, VB?

[Lava Gal]

Quote:
Originally Posted by KoChun
Negative, unable to comply.


ok... accepted...
oops...just saw after posting the prev one...okie, ignore my prev Q/request

[KoChun]

i agree wif VB
mods & admins - can we have a system to check who we've repo-ed recently?
Negative, still unable to comply.

[LiLiaN]

whatever it is, at the end of the day, please rep only when it's rep-worthy...

[Lava Gal]

whatever it is, at the end of the day, please rep only when it's rep-worthy...
aye aye...abusing good things oso no good ya.
tanx for reminder, lil..

[Odysseus]

whatever it is, at the end of the day, please rep only when it's rep-worthy...
Lil, agree with your comment on rep-worthy. What's rep-worthy in this Forum?

[Alkapocino]

Lil, agree with your comment on rep-worthy. What's rep-worthy in this Forum?
I wonder how come you only have 2 greens! For an active Senior like you, you deserve more than anyone else..... :)

Hey LiLiaN, don't lah be so "kedekut", give one BIG kentut for Leslieho. :D

[WitchKing]

whatever it is, at the end of the day, please rep only when it's rep-worthy...

my two cents, sometimes cannot rep only repworthyness coz reppoints need to spread to other reppossible peoples reppoints...nowth ethskuse mi wfhile I goh untieth my tonguefh...

[Odysseus]

I wonder how come you only have 2 greens! For an active Senior like you, you deserve more than anyone else..... :)

Hey LiLiaN, don't lah be so "kedekut", give one BIG kentut for Leslieho. :D
Alka, IMO postings should not equal rep-worthiness. I think rep-worthiness should be more than just postings. Thanks for you rep :)

[Alkapocino]

Alka, IMO postings should not equal rep-worthiness. I think rep-worthiness should be more than just postings. Thanks for you rep :)
Amen!

[Lava Gal]

Lil, agree with your comment on rep-worthy. What's rep-worthy in this Forum?
let me tyr this...
- when someone has posted quality post, pics etc
- alot of effort put into something
- u agree with them/they made u laugh so loud etc etc that it made ur day ;)

[LiLiaN]

i know, it's tough when you need to spread the rep before repping the same person...
but that's it's not quite done to rep someone just for the sake of repping...

in my opinion, rep-worthy posts are posts that reflects well on the forummer, having made your day better, or making a strong point that you agree with, or having make an extra effort to make the forum a nicer place to be...

there's nothing wrong with repping your friends once in a while, but then it's not fair to others who have yet to find their clique in here...

you guys probably are thinking, "yeah well easy for you to say, you have high rep points and one of the top poster"... i can tell you, high rep and number of posting doesn't go hand in hand... in my case, it's quite accidental... it's the quality that counts...

same goes to neg repping... if someone has been offensive in any way, or you strongly disagree with what that person has been saying, then red rep as you wish... but again, this is not meant to be abused... say, if you have an arch enemy from school days in here, this is not the way to get your revenge!

all in all, i know there's no clear cut way of saying what's rep worthy or not... but please remember the focus of this forum is to interact, not to build a reputation... even without the points, people do form opinion of others and from there, a reputation within their mind...

any other queries, give me a holler... :)

[Lava Gal]

yup...this is the place for INTERACTion to take place (though bukan Interact club)...make our day more meaningful by connecting, sharing, arguing...whatever :)

[KoChun]

Well said Lilian, well said. :)

[WitchKing]

any other queries, give me a holler...:)

Here you go, and keep the two hoots change...

http://www.twohootsandaholler.com/pages/1/index.htm

If the rep system works as such, well so be it. :noworry: at all.

[Fulat]

any other queries, give me a holler... :)

So what is the price 4 havin the most reps? some forummer is taking this as a competition. I was thinkin if i shud participate in the race but need 2 know what's at stake and is it worth the lobbying!! :p

[Dino]

So what is the price 4 havin the most reps? some forummer is taking this as a competition. I was thinkin if i shud participate in the race but need 2 know what's at stake and is it worth the lobbying!! :p

Price of 4 is about 400 points.
For every 100, you get 1 extra "boobie".
The more "boobies" you get, means that you are a positive contributor to the forum and members recognize that. If people complain about you, and you get into the negative numbers, your boobie turn red and your ability to start a new thread gets revoked and you probably not liked in the forum.

[Sila]

So what is the price 4 havin the most reps? some forummer is taking this as a competition. I was thinkin if i shud participate in the race but need 2 know what's at stake and is it worth the lobbying!! :p
but remember, it is really an added layer of fun and feedback, and should not be a race. don't win anything real oso... ;)

[Oddfather]

in my opinion, rep-worthy posts are posts that reflects well on the forummer, having made your day better, or making a strong point that you agree with, or having make an extra effort to make the forum a nicer place to be...

there's nothing wrong with repping your friends once in a while, but then it's not fair to others who have yet to find their clique in here...

Lil, well said. Mwl, I have a question on the bolded part abv. Are u saying that the repping system will only be fair if you have found your clique on the forum? So that your clique can green rep you and the others and it goes round and round and round.

May I suggest that the repping system name be change to Good Post or something like that so that ppl will know it is not a rat race but requires them to contribute positively to the Forum. A name that is linked to 'reputation' will always give the connotation as it is a rat race and there will be ppl whom will abuse the system.

Also I think it is a good idea for the Forum to have a tracking system of the green rep or otherwise they have given to ppl. This will enable forummers to track good contrbutions and those whom are just spamming or abusing it. Spreading ard the good posts or bad is good, otherwise, like you said, my arch enemy(althou I have none in the Forum yet as most of you do not really know who I am) in school will give me a red post everyday.

[SS2006]

I personally don't think there's any big deal in the rep system. We are all in this forum to communicate and to have fun without needing to impress anyone. If you post with the sole purpose of fishing for votes, there will be a level of stress involved. And where there is stress, there will no longer be fun. When there's no more fun, I'll be outta here. :p .I know I am sometimes guilty of bribing people for votes, but it was spoken in jest!
I'm sure most of our workplaces are already stressful enough, can I request that we don't take ourselves so seriously here? This forum is where I take a respite from work.

[Sila]

well said, shirlene. i agree wholeheartedly!

[Dino]

Agree with Shirlene.....i think anyone that wants to take this rep thing as a competition needs to re-evaluate their thinking about it. So what if you get 20 boobies and i got 4....i can still post and start threads like nobody's business. :p

[Oddfather]

I personally don't think there's any big deal in the rep system. We are all in this forum to communicate and to have fun without needing to impress anyone. If you post with the sole purpose of fishing for votes, there will be a level of stress involved. And where there is stress, there will no longer be fun. When there's no more fun, I'll be outta here. :p .I know I am sometimes guilty of bribing people for votes, but it was spoken in jest!
I'm sure most of our workplaces are already stressful enough, can I request that we don't take ourselves so seriously here? This forum is where I take a respite from work.

If the rep system is no big deal, then don't have it. It will only bring stress to the forummers, some of them/us.

I believe that in everything we do, being work or having fun, we have to do it with certain level/degree of seriousness. Even serious sleeping!!! ;) As the saying goes, when you play, play hard. When work, work hard. when sleep, sleep hard. Otherwise, we are always the half baked person, ei pan ren!!! :p

[Sila]

andrew, daboss and crew thought hard before implementing this system. it's not supposed to be a race, but a way for us to give each other feedback. an added layer. it's not supposed to be stressful - and is only as stressful as what you want to post in here.

the only time it actually affects anybody is if they have posted so many offensive things that their reputation is in the negative, and they lose the ability to post. it's a good way of self-control lah. the forum is not supposed to be stressful, it's supposed to be a place where we can gather and talk to each other, from juniors to seniors. but as in everything else, cannot simply post with impunity. not only the mods and admins are here, but all of the posts are read by members and sometimes non-members. what to remember is that we are supposed to have discussions amongst ourselves and have some fun in here - it's not a race of either post counts or reputation points, and moderation is key. don't lah just come in here just to collect reputation points - where is the fun in that? participation is reward in and of itself.

[SS2006]

If the rep system is no big deal, then don't have it. It will only bring stress to the forummers, some of them/us.

I believe that in everything we do, being work or having fun, we have to do it with certain level/degree of seriousness. Even serious sleeping!!! ;) As the saying goes, when you play, play hard. When work, work hard. when sleep, sleep hard. Otherwise, we are always the half baked person, ei pan ren!!! :p
Can I request we do away with the congratulatory thread on people who raech certain rep/post? There's too many already, too difficult to keep track.

[Oddfather]

andrew, daboss and crew thought hard before implementing this system. it's not supposed to be a race, but a way for us to give each other feedback. an added layer. it's not supposed to be stressful - and is only as stressful as what you want to post in here.
the only time it actually affects anybody is if they have posted so many offensive things that their reputation is in the negative, and they lose the ability to post. it's a good way of self-control lah. the forum is not supposed to be stressful, it's supposed to be a place where we can gather and talk to each other, from juniors to seniors. but as in everything else, cannot simply post with impunity. not only the mods and admins are here, but all of the posts are read by members and sometimes non-members. what to remember is that we are supposed to have discussions amongst ourselves and have some fun in here - it's not a race of either post counts or reputation points, and moderation is key. don't lah just come in here just to collect reputation points - where is the fun in that? participation is reward in and of itself.

I think some good thinking has gone into it and thank you for the explanation and trying to make the forum an enjoyable place to be in. :D

[Oddfather]

Thank you to the person that just gave me a red rep. At least, I know it has irrated him/her with my posts and he has actually shown concern that rep system works. Some has PMed me to asked me to ignore these red reps as it means nothing. My replies to them I am taking the time and pains form my busy schedule to be on the Forum just bcos I am an xACSian. I have attributed my life and career to the roots that has brought me to where I am today. If my contributions to the Forum has at least affected other Forummers in anyway and offer a softer landing in this cruel global marketplace, then I have given back the least of what I have reaped.

I will continue to contribute to this excellent Forum as I see fit and if forummers are not happy with some honest, down to earth comments, please feel free to red rep me.

Thank you and cheers
Andrew

[LiLiaN]

alright people, can i be very frank here? if you think i may offend you, look away now!

first off, seriously, i can't understand all the fuss even after so much explanation given by admins/mods? we've tried to explain time after time, trying to emphasise the forum objective is interaction, not for reputation. (i probably am going to earn the reputation as forum bitch after this post, but what the heck!).

no one single system implemented is faultless, and same goes to reputation system. why are you guys stressed over it? it's not going to win you forummer of the year prize or anything like that! can we not move on from harping on the points?

so, someone red rep you? i've been red repped, it's really something nothing personal. someone just happen to disagree with you, and the moment would then have passed. leave that behind. harping over and over is not going to change anything. the rep has been given.

yeah, when you have a clique in the forum, it's probably facilitating to a certain extent, rep points padding. but not everyone do that so please do not go about thinking that this is what the practice is in the forum, because it is not.

and shirlene, i agree... perhaps it's time to do away with all the congratulatory threads. it's confusing, there's too many of it, and for those who have earned their reputation points (very fairly and totally justified), you know who you are and so give yourself a pat at the back. i hope you will understand this, right?

shall have a disccusion with the mods/admins about the congratulatory threads.

[Odysseus]

Lilian,

On one hand I agree with your comment about the purpose of rep points and we should not allow it to distract us from the objective of the Forum.

On the other hand, the purpose of rep point is meant to reward good contribution to the Forum. For a newbie, rep points will lead him/her to good postings. They can look for postings by forummers with multiple boobies. So, the process of giving rep point has to be taken seriously. Else, it will be meaningless.

I have seen many forums where rep points are properly awarded and taken seriously. They are not given to cliques. People really earned it. If I were to search through the forum for the person's contribution, you can really find good stuff.

Well, that's my 2 sen worth of thought.

[ausman]

Da boss, what is your comment? Care to share... if u can

[Lava Gal]

I personally don't think there's any big deal in the rep system. We are all in this forum to communicate and to have fun without needing to impress anyone. If you post with the sole purpose of fishing for votes, there will be a level of stress involved. And where there is stress, there will no longer be fun. When there's no more fun, I'll be outta here. .I know I am sometimes guilty of bribing people for votes, but it was spoken in jest!
I'm sure most of our workplaces are already stressful enough, can I request that we don't take ourselves so seriously here? This forum is where I take a respite from work.
Shirlene, agree with u TOTALLY!
in racing for reputation points, forummers might loose focus on interacting..

SHIRL & LIL - i think tatz a great idea that the congratulatory threads shud be "dealt with"...coz in a way, these create more pressure for those who want to compete to achieve a higher rank in the forum :(
i know...tatz their problem, but just to prove that this reputation system isn;t so much of a big deal...lets scrape off these kind of threads in future.
even i myself didnt realize when i gained an extra boobie, till someone started congratulating...and then i go like "huh? oh ya hor..." and check User CP.

so the point i'm making is that without those trheads, even the person themselves might not realize...unless there've been keeping close tab on their points, ranking & reputation!

[WitchKing]

If this is turning into such a contentious issue, why not just do away with it completely, i mean we got on well without em initially, and no one will be worse off if its gone.....simple

Forummer deserves a +ve rep point give em one in your heart. Forummer deserves a -ve point have a red square box blinking for him in your own head.

Problem(?) solved.

[daBoss]

Da boss, what is your comment? Care to share... if u can
before we implemented the rep system, we discussed it thoroughly... a decision was made and that's it... shouldn't turn things off and on just like that...

in any event, my take is very simple...

it's there to allow self moderation - you don't like a post, you give it a red. if someone pisses off enough people with nonsense posts/threads, the person will be red soon enough and will not be able to start new threads. this allows members a chance to moderate the place instead of relying on mods/admins who always get the nasty job of telling people off.

believe me when i say that there has been enough confrontations between mods/admins and members. a mod gets enough complaints from other members and goes ahead to tell an offending member to stop doing certain things. it ends up with the mod/admin getting 'whacked' for no reason.

most of us have gotten reds (including me). it's the right of a member to give reds to other members. that's the way it is. if you don't like it, too bad... just ignore the system... don't go around posting and complaining that you get a red... you'll end up with more...

[song cm]

Lilian,

On one hand I agree with your comment about the purpose of rep points and we should not allow it to distract us from the objective of the Forum.

On the other hand, the purpose of rep point is meant to reward good contribution to the Forum. For a newbie, rep points will lead him/her to good postings. They can look for postings by forummers with multiple boobies. So, the process of giving rep point has to be taken seriously. Else, it will be meaningless.

I have seen many forums where rep points are properly awarded and taken seriously. They are not given to cliques. People really earned it. If I were to search through the forum for the person's contribution, you can really find good stuff.
Well, that's my 2 sen worth of thought.

les, well said....i totally agree with you on this but it is really difficult to stop anybody from giving rep pts to their cliques but from i believe this is just a small issue and should not be overly concerned abt.... :D

[LiLiaN]

rightio, system stays in place, congratulatory threads stay in place...
participate as you wish, otherwise just avoid...

[Lava Gal]

as long as everyone remains respectful of others (both in public, and in private-anomymously)...if everyone acts adult enuff, peace shall prevail :D

i typed something in reponse to les' comments, prob posting..and it was gone :(

[Odysseus]

as long as everyone remains respectful of others (both in public, and in private-anomymously)...if everyone acts adult enuff, peace shall prevail :D

i typed something in reponse to les' comments, prob posting..and it was gone :(
Lava, you got to do it again. I have similar experienced and have lost 2 postings. Well, just re-post la..

[KoChun]

Lava, you got to do it again. I have similar experienced and have lost 2 postings. Well, just re-post la..
Leslie, JC will revert to you on this. You may have clicked 'preview' instead of 'post'. I've personally experienced this before.

[Odysseus]

Since there are people who agree and disagree about rep points, is there any option in the profile for a member to disable metering for posting and rep points?

[LiLiaN]

nope. just either participate or leave it. period.

[Odysseus]

les, well said....i totally agree with you on this but it is really difficult to stop anybody from giving rep pts to their cliques but from i believe this is just a small issue and should not be overly concerned abt.... :D
Song, it good to know that u r in agreement with what i said. If we agree that rep-point is an indicator for good posting. Then we should make it clear to members to objective of this forum and how and when a rep-point should be awarded. If they abuse the rep-point system, they are actually 'killing' the forum. It has to be self-regulated. Perhaps mods can also randomly check on rep-points collected.

[LiLiaN]

Song, it good to know that u r in agreement with what i said. If we agree that rep-point is an indicator for good posting. Then we should make it clear to members to objective of this forum and how and when a rep-point should be awarded. If they abuse the rep-point system, they are actually 'killing' the forum. It has to be self-regulated. Perhaps mods can also randomly check on rep-points collected.leslie, we all have day job (and then some), a life (whether you think so or not), etc and we simply are unable to check on these on top of moderating the forum. take the system as it is or leave it.

[Odysseus]

leslie, we all have day job (and then some), a life (whether you think so or not), etc and we simply are unable to check on these on top of moderating the forum. take the system as it is or leave it.
Leave it is my choice then....

[LiLiaN]

Leave it is my choice then....fine, then just don't rep others and if others rep you, ignore it.

[Alkapocino]

Ai say man...my cows also come home already and yet we're still talking about the repo-lah, boobies-lah. Anyone wants a green, just raise your hand and I will consider whether to reward you or not. :p


Green or red.....life goes on.....HIDUP FORUM!!!!!


p/s: Must say that the Admins and Mods have slight advantage over the others in terms of "transparencies" of who the voters are. They can see...we can't. Most of the red-repo voters chickened out and never leave a trace. :(

[JC]

p/s: Must say that the Admins and Mods have slight advantage over the others in terms of "transparencies" of who the voters are. They can see...we can't. Most of the red-repo voters chickened out and never leave a trace. :(
Not true... Believe me, there are some hardcore red-reppers around :(

[Alkapocino]

Not true... Believe me, there are some hardcore red-reppers around :(
You see, you see...but we cannot see. :(

That's the problem with you guys. Never want to admit. I say MOST of the voters not ALL!!!! :mad:

[LiLiaN]

You see, you see...but we cannot see. :(
That's the problem with you guys. Never want to admit. I say MOST of the voters not ALL!!!! :mad:look, this is not something that we have control over... it's up to the person leaving rep whether to identify themselves or not...
us mods/admins are just trying to facilitate the running of the forum...

[Alkapocino]

look, this is not something that we have control over... it's up to the person leaving rep whether to identify themselves or not...
us mods/admins are just trying to facilitate the running of the forum...
And guess who is running in this FORUM? All of us right?

You know what? Everybody like to be praised but I don't give a damn about all this repo stuff but sometimes it's really funny how come the Admins and Mods could just allow so many (I mean sooooo many) thread congratulating people of how many greens (u guys called it boobies) in KPC thread? Why..and what for? :unsure:

p/s: No offence intended.

[LiLiaN]

we can't stop people from wanting to sincerely wish someone else well, can we?
as mentioned before, from now on, participate as you wish, either in the repo system or in the congratulatory threads...
otherwise, just participate in the forum as usual and disregard those aspects...

ps: understood, and no offense here on personal level either

[Alkapocino]

we can't stop people from wanting to sincerely wish someone else well, can we?
as mentioned before, from now on, participate as you wish, either in the repo system or in the congratulatory threads...
otherwise, just participate in the forum as usual and disregard those aspects...

ps: understood, and no offense here on personal level either
And how come you've never gave me a +ve repo? :p

[LiLiaN]

And how come you've never gave me a +ve repo? :pi am not santa claus? :D

[Fulat]

Ai say man...my cows also come home already and yet we're still talking about the repo-lah, boobies-lah. Anyone wants a green, just raise your hand and I will consider whether to reward you or not. :p


Green or red.....life goes on.....HIDUP FORUM!!!!!


p/s: Must say that the Admins and Mods have slight advantage over the others in terms of "transparencies" of who the voters are. They can see...we can't. Most of the red-repo voters chickened out and never leave a trace. :(

Godfather, Give me +ve rep! I also want to join the race already. Since it became so big deal! than I rep you back! :cool:

[vicky boy]

i think many things has been said about this system.... pros and cons...
my personal view..... it has done more harm than good to the forum... i personally like it cos it just look glamour when ur points are leading..... but when come to think of it, what if i got the highest repo....??? not going to get point like bonus link can redeem for something in future....

if this system will do more harm than good to the health of the forum.... i rather not have it, like before.....

[Fulat]

i think many things has been said about this system.... pros and cons...
my personal view..... it has done more harm than good to the forum... i personally like it cos it just look glamour when ur points are leading..... but when come to think of it, what if i got the highest repo....??? not going to get point like bonus link can redeem for something in future....

if this system will do more harm than good to the health of the forum.... i rather not have it, like before.....

Well said! another +ve vote from me!!

hmm....I am getting the hang of it now. So easy to give vote.

Victor my man! you'll never know coz one day, daBoss might just annouce that the forummer with the most number for green squares will inherit his Condo when he moves to his Million riggint house.

[JC]

And guess who is running in this FORUM? All of us right?

You know what? Everybody like to be praised but I don't give a damn about all this repo stuff but sometimes it's really funny how come the Admins and Mods could just allow so many (I mean sooooo many) thread congratulating people of how many greens (u guys called it boobies) in KPC thread? Why..and what for? :unsure:

p/s: No offence intended.
I would love to take this up with you personally at Hoxes Cafe :mad:
So, you want to stop all repo congratulatory threads? What about the congratulatory threads in reaching a certain number of posts? Shall we stop that too? Why not stop all welcoming threads too?
I will stop my argument here and will contact you to see if you would grant me an audience with you. No guns please, godfather. ;)

[Dino]

And guess who is running in this FORUM? All of us right?

You know what? Everybody like to be praised but I don't give a damn about all this repo stuff but sometimes it's really funny how come the Admins and Mods could just allow so many (I mean sooooo many) thread congratulating people of how many greens (u guys called it boobies) in KPC thread? Why..and what for? :unsure:

p/s: No offence intended.

Waaaa.....kena kutuk giving people some freedom....Alka....why you so like that??? :blink: :confused:

[Oddfather]

Lava, you got to do it again. I have similar experienced and have lost 2 postings. Well, just re-post la..

Happened to me also, a few times esp. the long posts. To repost, flow of thots is lost. So I do it Words, then cut and paste.

[Voon Chan]

Just my thought.
Initially, a lot of people was chasing the Green for repo in cluding myself

After much thought to it,
I realised that there is nothing you can do with the green
It will just hang around there

Just relax with the whole issue.
Dino is right.

If I don't like certain issues raise in the forum, there are 2 things I can do:
1) I don't read it; &
2) If I read, I just keep my opinion to myself because if I start posting on the issue, it may be offensive

Just my thought:)

[Dino]

Ok.....after much discussion with the mods, we have come to the conclusion that the reputation system stay and we do not want to hear anybody complaining about this anymore. We are all here to have fun and, speaking for myself, am tired of members whining over such things. We are all adults in here. From now on any threads open complaining about the reputation system will be closed/edited without any questions asked. If you still want to complain abou it, please PM any of the mods or admin. We will be glad to discuss with you about it if its a valid argument. I will leave this thread open for now and if there are more complaints, i will go ahead and closeout this thread. Thanks!

[Alkapocino]

I would love to take this up with you personally at Hoxes Cafe :mad:
So, you want to stop all repo congratulatory threads? What about the congratulatory threads in reaching a certain number of posts? Shall we stop that too? Why not stop all welcoming threads too?
I will stop my argument here and will contact you to see if you would grant me an audience with you. No guns please, godfather. ;)
:worried: Dem scared. Can I buy you chic-pie + teh ping to settle?

Waaaa.....kena kutuk giving people some freedom....Alka....why you so like that???
Sorry bro, didn't mean to kutuk.....just playing my role like the ticks in the dog's ear (constant irritant but not worth making a fuss about). :p

[Dino]

:worried: Dem scared. Can I buy you chic-pie + teh ping to settle?


Sorry bro, didn't mean to kutuk.....just playing my role like the ticks in the dog's ear (constant irritant but not worth making a fuss about). :p

No worries bro... :)

[JC]

:worried: Dem scared. Can I buy you chic-pie + teh ping to settle?
On the contrary, I buy you chicken pie + iced coffee for granting me an audience with you.. :)

[siewjang]

Ok.....after much discussion with the mods, we have come to the conclusion that the reputation system stay and we do not want to hear anybody complaining about this anymore. We are all here to have fun and, speaking for myself, am tired of members whining over such things. We are all adults in here. From now on any threads open complaining about the reputation system will be closed/edited without any questions asked. If you still want to complain abou it, please PM any of the mods or admin. We will be glad to discuss with you about it if its a valid argument. I will leave this thread open for now and if there are more complaints, i will go ahead and closeout this thread. Thanks!
I know all mods are smart and cleber ppl. This is what i want to see. cheers... :)

[Lava Gal]

oopss...it happened again! is there a word limit to post? when its a short message no prob...bila panjang sikit, engine giving trouble lar.

leslie..since u asked...will try to recollect and post again ya.
i'm not complaining/whining...and neither am i spamming.
have to divide this post into 2 portions coz i realize when type too long, the page becomes "Not Responding". nope..not coz i type preview...anyway

this is coming from s1 who once started a thread to complain coz i "erupted"...this is my view on this system...pendapat je...just give it a thought...thanx.

My views...

1/ Its individual right to state their name or not...but plz dont abuse the system

2/ Green repos - there was a kindof competition to see how high a ranking one can achieve, among some forummers some time back. well, not to offend anyone...but came to be aware of some circulating PMS asking for repo to "help them out".
A reputation should be earned, not asked for :amazed: glad if ppl have come to realize that there's more to life than repos, like "connecting with people" :)

[Oddfather]

oopss...it happened again! is there a word limit to post? when its a short message no prob...bila panjang sikit, engine giving trouble lar.


tats was what happened to me. So I type in Words, then cut and paste. No problem, so far.

[Lava Gal]

phew! got it thru at last...now comes rest of it...

3/ RED repos - if u want to be anonymous...suit urself. PLEASE leave a commet...one that isn't personally attacking/derogatory...but to state why & how the post has affected/offended u...so that the "receiver" can REFLECT & LEARN FROM THEIR "MISTAKES"
some might say..."duh, isnt it obvious this post def needs a reddie?" so why shud i comment...well well...imagine this, a RED & a GREEN repo given to the same post, within same day :sus: ...i'm not complaining, but then
We dont have telepathy! So as adults, we can alwayz leave a constructive comment, should u bother to take the time to red-repo...it'd just take a few extra seconds.

4/ ok...if at all SOMEONE is daring enuff & decides to LEAVE their identity along with a comment...it'd be nice if the "receiver" can be matured & gracious enuff to accept it...instead of balas dendam by giving the 'awarder' a red-repo..."an eye for an eye"??
...the world will go blind, if this' the attitude :( (any wonder why many red-repo givers remain anonymous?)
i'm sure acs didnt nurture us in that way...so lets start making our school proud by starting to act matured in our very own forum.

5/ Green or Red...should be (IMO) given to deserving POSTS, not just coz of returning s1's 'favour'/'punishment'...referring to green & red boxes here. i mean...the whole purpose is to identify good/bad posts...and make the poster AWARE OF IT, right? :noworry:
So lets make the purpose work! Jia Yu....

6/ MODs & ADMINs...they can be seen "giving gentle reminders" / "warnings" when we all sidetrack etc...lets not be abusive/'balas dendam'...they are doing their job.
Just think of it this way...wouldn't it be easier for them to just RED-REPO us for sidetracking and all the nonsense? Lets not add on to their headache.

Thank You!



btw andrew...i tried doing that too...in fact thatz wat i did just now. but when too long, sure some problem submitting that reply :confused:

[Dino]

Lavanya drop it please!!! From now on, please only discuss technical aspects of the reputation system. Anymore comments about how people vote and such will be deleted.

[Odysseus]

Lavanya drop it please!!! From now on, please only discuss technical aspects of the reputation system. Anymore comments about how people vote and such will be deleted.
Dino, the message that ppl are getting is that the mods are compromising on the purpose of repo. Instead of rectifying it, we chose to turn a blind eyes. Those who have spoken out are mainly trying to rectify it. Now, kena warning pulak.... Juz my 2 sen worth of opinion.

[LiLiaN]

Dino, the message that ppl are getting is that the mods are compromising on the purpose of repo. Instead of rectifying it, we chose to turn a blind eyes. Those who have spoken out are mainly trying to rectify it. Now, kena warning pulak.... Juz my 2 sen worth of opinion.leslie, we are not compromising with anyone on this issue... we're just going to implement the system as it is...
this discussion is not going anywhere so we made a statement of our stand...
it is up to forummers to take part in rep system or not, so the choice is yours...

the warning is given purely because we have mentioned that this part of discussion is now closed...
and we don't want to be involved in further debate over an endless issue...
this thread discussion should now be directed for technical issues only... that's it...

[Dino]

Dino, the message that ppl are getting is that the mods are compromising on the purpose of repo. Instead of rectifying it, we chose to turn a blind eyes. Those who have spoken out are mainly trying to rectify it. Now, kena warning pulak.... Juz my 2 sen worth of opinion.

Leslie....pm me if you want to talk more about it, i'll be glad to discuss it with you.
For now, ONLY TECHNICAL DISCUSSION in this thread.
Thanks!

[Odysseus]

Leslie....pm me if you want to talk more about it, i'll be glad to discuss it with you.
For now, ONLY TECHNICAL DISCUSSION in this thread.
Thanks!
I would love too but I dont have anything more to add. What has been said has been said by the rest. Decision has been made, ears closed, threat issued...

[Dino]

I would love too but I dont have anything more to add. What has been said has been said by the rest. Decision has been made, ears closed, threat issued...

And thread closed!